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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by agsnu »

Knee_Pain wrote: post #110
OO000oo wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux. But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough

It would be fair to say it's "quite simple" to port macOS apps to Linux if macOS apps were written against the Unix/POSIX API, but they are generally written using Apple's macOS-specific proprietary frameworks, meaning a Linux port of a GUI application would really be a re-write.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by valleyer »

Knee_Pain wrote: post #110
OO000oo wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux. But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough

"Quite simple" is an enormous overstatement here. The API surface of macOS is a vast superset of POSIX, including lots of libraries (AppKit, e.g.) that are not open-source.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by walthamstow »

bodge5000 wrote: post #106
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

The fatal flaw with its hardware, for me, is the lack of upgradability. I brought the lowest spec M1 air ~6 months ago, these are pricey machines and I had no idea whether I'd like the hardware/software, so wanted to go easy. Turns out, I really like it, but 8gb ram and 256gb ssd isn't enough. In the world of most laptops, this upgrade would cost me maybe £150. For Mac, this upgrade costs me £3,500 (for half as much…

Where did you get those numbers? By my reckoning the upgrade would cost you net about £700 brand new and the upgraded machine could last the rest of the decade.

Buy the model I have, the 16gb 512gb M1 Air at £1400 new (or ~£1100 new-ish on eBay).

Keep both for a few weeks, transfer your stuff over, then sell your 8gb 256gb M1 Air for ~£700.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by OO000oo »

happymellon wrote: post #108
brucethemoose2 wrote: post #85

Earlier quoted context omitted.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.

I don't use Photoshop, but can you pin CC to an older version like 2020? I thought as a subscription they did mandatory version upgrades. That site says that 2021 and 2022 are both considered garbage.

You can just install the versions that you want, even multiple at a time.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by no_carrier »

NayamAmarshe wrote: post #91
drawnwren wrote: post #68

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The os being compared to here is linux. I fully understand that most devs don’t want to spend significant time customizing their OS to meet their workflow needs, but once you have a linux distro with a custom window manager —- I don’t see how you could reasonably claim the macos experience is comparable.

Nothing could convince me to drop PaperWM.

Same with Material Shell for me. I can no longer live without it.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by sbuk »

Espionage724 wrote: post #78
KennyFromIT wrote: post #71

So other than less battery performance, what other notable differences should I expect from Fedora on M2 vs the native MacOS. (I'm not being snarky, just trying to get a feel for how similar I should expect the performance and peripheral support to be; not focused on differences between gnome and the MacOS UI)

I think getting information about devices in and connected to the system would be easier from Linux; might be nice for device and board programming or diagnosing USB devices. I don't remember specifics but terminal use felt odd on macOS to me. I do Terminal no problem from Linux, but maybe it was the file structure or command syntax on macOS that felt different. Niche hardware stuff is likely cheaper to manage on Lin…

> I don't remember specifics but terminal use felt odd on macOS to me. I do Terminal no problem from Linux, but maybe it was the file structure or command syntax on macOS that felt different.

That'll be the GNU coreutils vs macOS's BSD userland. You'd likely have a similar frustration if you were to use FreeBSD. You can replace these with coreutils from Homebrew or MacPorts on the Mac. Also, the file system layout is different, again, much like the BSDs vs Linux/GNU. Even Linux distros vary slightly.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bodge5000 »

walthamstow wrote: post #114
bodge5000 wrote: post #106

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The fatal flaw with its hardware, for me, is the lack of upgradability. I brought the lowest spec M1 air ~6 months ago, these are pricey machines and I had no idea whether I'd like the hardware/software, so wanted to go easy. Turns out, I really like it, but 8gb ram and 256gb ssd isn't enough. In the world of most laptops, this upgrade would cost me maybe £150. For Mac, this upgrade costs me £3,500 (for half as much…

Where did you get those numbers? By my reckoning the upgrade would cost you net about £700 brand new and the upgraded machine could last the rest of the decade. Buy the model I have, the 16gb 512gb M1 Air at £1400 new (or ~£1100 new-ish on eBay). Keep both for a few weeks, transfer your stuff over, then sell your 8gb 256gb M1 Air for ~£700.

The numbers for the standard upgrade were from a quick search on amazon (2TB NVME = £100, 32gb DDR4 = £50), and for the MacBook was just the cheapest I could find for the closest specs (£3,500 would actually only get me 1TB storage, that's just the most apple has for a laptop it seems).

1TB would be the minimum for me, especially spending that kind of money. Also I doubt I'd get £700 for my MBA, seeing as that's how much I brought it for (refurbished from Apple). When I was buying it originally, the prices on eBay were more along the lines of £600. Even still, I don't factor in the money I'd get back from selling my previous machine

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by xgbi »

jasoneckert wrote: post #51

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

> I've been using Asahi based on Arch [...] and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall.

> I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi Fedora [...] Fedora has a stronger team and less issues

Why do you plan to change if the experience has been stellar? You mention issues, what kind did you encounter?

I'm sorry if this feels rude, but I read your comment as a praise to Arch and then took an 180° turn to "I will switch to fedora ASAP".

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