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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by favadi »

binkHN wrote: post #27
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

> It has ... the quietest fans... Part of this is related to having one of the most power efficient CPUs.

Even the fanless configuration is still fast enough for most use cases.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by wtallis »

pengaru wrote: post #97

I'm excited about this despite not owning any Apple hardware, nor intending to own any in the future. Just to see what a mature native Linux port does in terms of performance and battery life numbers. We've had to suffer so much Apple fanboy b.s. ever since Apple Silicon became a thing, touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient. Let's get a sense of w…

> touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient.

> My money is it's 90% TSMC that made Apple Silicon so much better than the Intel trash Apple was stuck with,

This comes across as quite bizarre, as though you believe Apple Silicon Macs are a combination of TSMC chips and Apple software, rather than Apple chips (manufactured by TSMC) with Apple software. Is it really that hard for you to believe that Apple could have come up with chip designs that are genuinely good even when fab process differences are not a factor?

How will running Linux instead of macOS shed any new light on how much credit for the hardware quality should go to TSMC rather than to Apple?

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by pengaru »

wtallis wrote: post #102
pengaru wrote: post #97

I'm excited about this despite not owning any Apple hardware, nor intending to own any in the future. Just to see what a mature native Linux port does in terms of performance and battery life numbers. We've had to suffer so much Apple fanboy b.s. ever since Apple Silicon became a thing, touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient. Let's get a sense of w…

> touting how special the software optimizations are for making this TSMC node's product so fast and efficient. > My money is it's 90% TSMC that made Apple Silicon so much better than the Intel trash Apple was stuck with, This comes across as quite bizarre, as though you believe Apple Silicon Macs are a combination of TSMC chips and Apple software, rather than Apple chips (manufactured by TSMC) with Apple software. I…

> This comes across as quite bizarre, as though you believe Apple Silicon Macs are a combination of TSMC chips and Apple software, rather than Apple chips (manufactured by TSMC) with Apple software.

No, it's deliberately bizarre. I'm speaking to specifically all the ridiculous nonsense I've read on HN from Apple fanbois trying to convince the world that these are so good because of magical synergies of Apple software with Apple Silicon.

Apple seems to have designed a good chip, TSMC manufactured it. I don't deny either of those things. The same can be said of AMD.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by [deleted] »

dividedbyzero wrote: post #84
gigatexal wrote: post #53

Honestly Apple should open up the hardware specs and make this easier for devs because I wasn’t in the market for an m1 mini if it was going to run macOS but now with my favorite distro with a remix available?! I’ll give Apple my duckets

I'd like to see them do that, but the fraction of their (potential) users that would care at all must be microscopic.

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bodge5000 »

Octabrain wrote: post #35

After the painful experience I've had with the last ThinkPad I purchased (and before that, a Dell XPS, if Linux reaches a point where widely used distros are able to run on Mac M* flawlessly...personally I'm not gonna think it twice.

I doubt you're looking to burn more money but you could also try the framework laptops, I hear they're very well supported. Older Thinkpads also work if you want something cheaper (I don't really use my X220 anymore but I could never get rid of it), but then you do lose some performance.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bodge5000 »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

The fatal flaw with its hardware, for me, is the lack of upgradability. I brought the lowest spec M1 air ~6 months ago, these are pricey machines and I had no idea whether I'd like the hardware/software, so wanted to go easy. Turns out, I really like it, but 8gb ram and 256gb ssd isn't enough. In the world of most laptops, this upgrade would cost me maybe £150. For Mac, this upgrade costs me £3,500 (for half as much storage as well), because I'd need to buy a whole new machine.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by OO000oo »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #85
OO000oo wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.

The current state of Wine Photoshop for the past 5 years is that it's unusable alongside other modern graphics software on modern hardware. The only high dpi version that you can expect to get working is CC2018 and it has a lot of bugs when running on Wine. CS6 runs perfectly and it's an excellent version of Photoshop, but it doesn't support high dpi so you'll have to lower your display resolution until you can read the menu text.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by happymellon »

brucethemoose2 wrote: post #85
OO000oo wrote: post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

https://appdb.winehq.org/objectManager.php?sClass=applicatio... Some say Wine is "cheating," but I say Wine is a platform. A good platform. That being said, I feel like the various editors integrating Stable Diffusion eat into a whole bunch of Photoshop functionality.

I don't use Photoshop, but can you pin CC to an older version like 2020? I thought as a subscription they did mandatory version upgrades.

That site says that 2021 and 2022 are both considered garbage.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by TheDong »

torstenvl wrote: post #66
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

> I don't understand how people hate macOS

This is hacker news, so presumably we are hackers. I like being able to look into the system I'm running. When I'm seeing a weird network issue, I want to be able to peer into the kernel's tcp stack. When I see an error, I want to be able to add debug statements and understand it.

That's easy to do on linux. There's great tooling. That's hard to do on macOS.

I run websites and services. I like being able to run them locally, to try and reproduce bugs I see on my server. You can't run macOS on a server in a reasonable way, so the only reasonable choice there is linux.

I can understand how someone who doesn't really want to understand the software they use might want to use macOS or windows. On hacker news, I'd expect most people to understand the desire to be able to tinker and understand the system to a greater degree.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Knee_Pain »

OO000oo wrote: post #82
jasoneckert wrote: post #51

I've been using Asahi based on Arch as my daily driver for over a year ( https://jasoneckert.github.io/myblog/ultimate-linux-arm64-wo... ) and should mention that the experience has been stellar overall. This is mainly because I've used it on a desktop (Mac Mini, later Mac Studio), where hardware support came faster and is practically complete for M1 models. That being said, I fully plan on moving entirely to Asahi F…

It's such a magnificent failure of the human race that this was possible but Photoshop for Linux is eternally out of the picture.

Photoshop exists on macOS, which is a *BSD. If something already runs on *BSD it's quite simple to port it to Linux.

But they just won't do it until it becomes used enough

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