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Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by CalChris »

lotsofpulp wrote: post #46
mdasen wrote: post #19

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Part of it is that Apple has the margins that they can spend a little more on parts. They know they don't have to compete on price as much as PCs do. People aren't going to ditch the Mac over $25 or $50. However, people do regularly compare prices on PC laptops looking to save small amounts of money. That means that Apple can spend a little more designing and ordering a fan that's quieter with a better design and mor…

>Part of it is that Apple has the margins that they can spend a little more on parts. This part is duplicated by the business or professional branded products of Dell/HP/Lenovo/etc. I think the part that cannot be duplicated (without very significant time and money) is the tight integration between software and hardware. Even if the other companies spend a little more for the premium components, they are not able to…

However, Dell et al should absolutely make sure the major distros install on their machines. They could have had a customer. Never again.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by bombcar »

hollandheese wrote: post #49
IntelMiner wrote: post #42

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As a Quad G5 owner, might I recommend OS X "Sorbet" It's an unofficial merging of OS X 10.5 with PowerPC builds of 10.6 components. Even on ancient G3's it out-performs both 10.4 and 10.5 in benchmarks

Wait... how'd you get it working on G3 machines? As far as I know, 10.4 was the last release for G3s.

Apple is pretty famous for dropping machines before they absolutely have to.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by russelg »

chezelenkoooo wrote: post #55
tristan957 wrote: post #24

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No window snapping.

Everyone mentioning multiple apps such as "rectangle" or "amethyst" doesn't really understand how restrictive they are compared to tools like i3 or sway. Window snapping, tiling and screen navigation is a HUGE deal. I basically don't use my mouse when programming in Linux and it's really difficult to do the same on Mac.

Then you want "yabai".

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by NayamAmarshe »

andrekandre wrote: post #22
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

I could live with it but the keyboard shortcuts are generally worse than Linux.

https://gist.github.com/NayamAmarshe/c8dfabefc5a25df518edd34...

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by torstenvl »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by nextos »

9front wrote: post #63

The issue with AsahiLinux is its dependency on macOS.

And patchy support for M2, which is understandable.

A shame, as the basic Mac Mini M2 is really competitive in terms of pricing and energy usage for a home desktop or server.

It is below $600 with an education discount.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by drawnwren »

torstenvl wrote: post #66
alphanullmeric wrote: post #17

I used to hate on Macs until I was given one by my employer. Then I realized that despite how awful macOS is, the laptop itself is completely unrivalled. There is no Lenovo/xps/framework/tuxbook/tongfang/clevo/whatever that comes close to the overall package of a MacBook. It has the stiffest body, the quietest fans, the biggest battery, the best screen and trackpad, etc. Even worse is the fact that a framework 16 is…

I don't understand how people hate macOS. There are some frustrations (e.g., rapid deprecation of things like GC'd Obj-C or 32-bit apps, code signing and notarization) but they pale in comparison to other platforms (glibc compatibility, $500+ code signing certs for Windows/Android, etc.)

The os being compared to here is linux. I fully understand that most devs don’t want to spend significant time customizing their OS to meet their workflow needs, but once you have a linux distro with a custom window manager —- I don’t see how you could reasonably claim the macos experience is comparable.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by Pulcinella »

AbacusAvenger wrote: post #37
andrekandre wrote: post #22

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> how awful macOS is just curious, but what parts are awful? customization? or just generally bugs?

Personally I have two major issues with macOS: CPU usage and bugs. There are a ton of background services that periodically spin up for no obvious reason, consuming a ton of CPU for a few minutes at a time, then go back to idle. I don't know what they're doing or why. Luckily since they're background services, they're bound to the efficiency cores on Apple Silicon, so they don't hurt battery life or thermals too much…

I originally reported this in August 2022. Apple replied once in October 2022 to say "we can't reproduce this, please provide a demo app". I provided the app that reliably reproduces the problem within an hour of their reply, but they've been silent since.

This came up on the ATP podcast recently. Feedback is a very, very crappy front-end for Apple's internal bug tracker Radar (which itself I've heard is not great).

Long story short, you have to submit an entirely new bug report through Feedback with the sample project attached. Apple's developers basically can't see replies to Feedbacks.

I believe the reason has to do with fears over GDPR and data collection. The Feedbacks are scrubbed of any kind of personal or identifying information before they are re-entered into Radar. I don't understand all the reasons, but I 100% agree this is absolutely nuts and not an appropriate way to manage bug reports.

Re: Coming Soon: Fedora for Apple Silicon Macs

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Post by noizejoy »

bubblethink wrote: post #60
fsckboy wrote: post #57

I'm only looking for facts, not trying to stimulate FUD etc: didn't RedHat announce something that seemed to decrease their commitment to Fedora, or was that just RHEL and CentOS type enterprise stuff? (I'm a Fedora user, and I do/would not look forward to switching.)

No, Fedora is upstream. Nothing changes for Fedora. Original CentOS is discontinued, CentOS Stream is downstream of Fedora but upstream of RHEL. RH has taken measures to thwart clones of RHEL.

> No, Fedora is upstream. Nothing changes for Fedora.

I sincerely hope so - but after 2 significant rug-pulls, I'm not so sure of any forward looking statements by RH or about the RH ecosystem anymore ...

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