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This is why I don't want a car with OTA updates. At least a dealer flash will take many months to be deployed and show up these deceptive practices.
What does this have to do with OTA updates? It could come with the same software “built to lie” from the factory as well, couldn’t it?
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Queueing? Would the supercharger limit my charging time for some reason? I drove right up to an open charger every time, so I wasn't waiting in line.
Assuming rather low 50kW charge rate thats at least 87.5kWh of energy. Thats 500km of highway range. Assuming more average 75kW rate - 130kwh or almost 900kms. And you are claiming you done this in one day?
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Even so, assuming there were a nationwide network of them, you could pull in, swap trailers, and be on your way in 15 minutes. Of course, this is in an ideal world where everything goes my way. I wonder if the penalty would be as high as 33%. Seems like it would be simple to make a maximally aerodynamic battery trailer since human comfort doesn't have to be considered. Then you're only adding the weight and drag of a…
> It would be better all in all to be able to hot swap the batteries then. With standardized batteries put onto an integrated sled system, a robot at the fuel pump could pull the discharged battery and put it on a battery tester/charger and insert a fresh charged battery in its place. This has been discussed/proposed/Tesla said they were going to do this long ago. The big downside is that no one wants to exchange the…
If the glass pack batteries make it to market, with their 2x capacity boost and lack of dangerous chemicals, it might make more sense, but purportedly they also work better with quick charge and can handle more charge cycles, so it may be a moot point anyway.
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Can you explain why other manufacturers switching to NACS is advantageous to Tesla? Are they collecting fees or is there some reason bp or Shell or Exxon couldn’t just add NACS chargers to all their real estate and steal share from Superchargers? I have yet to see any explanation as to how the switch to NACS is actually good for Tesla, other than testimony to the standard design being better than CCS?
It’s licensed access iirc so they’re getting some payment for it (which they deserve for their investment in building it out despite the odds). They also charge a higher rate to non-Tesla EVs. The other benefit is if they continued to refuse access they could have ended up like blackberry. The other companies would have adopted the CCS standard and (eventually) would have a competitive network. Then what was once a T…
I agree that the alternative was worse, but that doesn't make this a particularly good outcome?
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Can you explain why other manufacturers switching to NACS is advantageous to Tesla? Are they collecting fees or is there some reason bp or Shell or Exxon couldn’t just add NACS chargers to all their real estate and steal share from Superchargers? I have yet to see any explanation as to how the switch to NACS is actually good for Tesla, other than testimony to the standard design being better than CCS?
It's good for Tesla customers because it means NACS charging infrastructure will be more widely available from more companies. Tesla will have reason (and economic motive) to add more Supercharger sites and make them larger than they'd otherwise be. It's good for Tesla because it costs them a lot less to have everyone else shift to NACS than for them to redeploy ten thousand Supercharger stalls with CCS1. Honestly th…
I agree, I have no sympathy for CCS1 investments etc, NACS seems superior and it looks like consumers writ large will win etc etc., I'm just wondering how any of this adds up to a bullish case for Tesla and I'm afraid your comment doesn't clarify that. It just illustrates that the alternative would've been more bearish than this one (which I agree).
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It’s licensed access iirc so they’re getting some payment for it (which they deserve for their investment in building it out despite the odds). They also charge a higher rate to non-Tesla EVs. The other benefit is if they continued to refuse access they could have ended up like blackberry. The other companies would have adopted the CCS standard and (eventually) would have a competitive network. Then what was once a T…
I cannot find any information about the licensing, which would be a good answer to the question if real (I've actively looked for this info!) I agree that the alternative was worse, but that doesn't make this a particularly good outcome?
Even ignoring that, I think it's still a good outcome for Tesla - they effectively own and control a large percentage of all charging infrastructure in the world. Every other car company adopting their standard means they have a lot of customers that will pay them to charge at their stations (even independent of the licensing).
That plus avoiding a future where without making this transition they could end up isolated with an obscure and incompatible charger that would eventually become a liability rather than an advantage.
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Which ICE cars use resistive heating? I've never seen an alternator large enough on an ICE car to do it. (I'm also skeptical of how well that'd work on a 12v electrical system)
See this https://shops.audi.com/en_GB/web/zubehoer/p/retrofit-solutio... for example. I can only assume it's resistive, since it doesn't start the engine - but it might be a system for running the AC heatpump without engine, maybe. Also now that I think of it, window defrost is resistive. I would guess system like this would be rare in US, because you are allowed to have remote start on your cars. edit: never mind, i…
I never thought I'd see the return of the gasoline heater. I wonder if its offered in the states.
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I cannot find any information about the licensing, which would be a good answer to the question if real (I've actively looked for this info!) I agree that the alternative was worse, but that doesn't make this a particularly good outcome?
The licensing discussion I heard between Ben Thompson and John Gruber on their Dithering podcast (not sure the details). Even ignoring that, I think it's still a good outcome for Tesla - they effectively own and control a large percentage of all charging infrastructure in the world. Every other car company adopting their standard means they have a lot of customers that will pay them to charge at their stations (even…
> they effectively own and control a large percentage of all charging infrastructure in the world. Every other car company adopting their standard means they have a lot of customers that will pay them to charge at their stations (even independent of the licensing).
This is the argument I find interesting... IMO if everything does centralize on NACS, nothing (AFAICT) is stopping the really big players like bp, Shell, Exxon, etc from just outfitting their already-existing real estate, already-existing infrastructure with NACS. The petro-companies are ludicrously well capitalized, very sophisticated, and have tons of baked-in advantages. Memes aside, they're also already the biggest players in the energy transition anyway. Basically if I were investing in Tesla, I'd be curious why this doesn't just create a great opening for the huge huge players to mop the floor.
Again, consumers (and the environment, probably) win here, so I'm happy about it!
P.S. Also thank you for entertaining a thoughtful convo. Usually this question just attracts zealots and it doesn't get me closer to an answer. You did -- so thank you!
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I'm aware - pretty sure they did chart the trip in autopilot though from my reading. Telling the autopilot system you are headed to a supercharger also starts pre-warming the battery.
That's a bit annoying to me to be honest. It's a cool feature, but sometimes I want to plan out a trip without having to prewarm, or I want to prewarm without having to navigate. I can imagine why it's automatic instead of manual (imagine if someone prewarmed their battery but forgot to charge or something) but it'd be a nice "advanced" thing to have.
Wanting to prewarm without planning a trip I understand. It would be use to be able to prwarm for regular charging or non-supercharger charging too.
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You can just play games on your phone, or take a quick power nap (don't forget to set a timer!) It's awesome!
Get the fuck off the road with that attitude. You're why people die.