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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by srvmshr »

BobbyJo wrote: post #117
srvmshr wrote: post #109

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of…

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense. > In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge Pers…

> It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen).

I have lived/ been a citizen/ married to someone from each of these listed places. UFO reference in Hinduism is zero. I am practicing Hindu - I can vouch with 100% certainty. My wife is devout Buddhist/ formerly Christian & she confirms there is nothing in their scripture. I cannot engage any of these answers in good faith of critical thinking, as whenever there is a question of evidence, it is either trust-me-bro or it-is-classified

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Post by dwringer »

LapsangGuzzler wrote: post #118

Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence. I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.

Isn't the majority of what Snowden leaked still being privately held from the public?

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Post by PKop »

srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

That's like saying lying about the Iraq war or any other policy of national security or deep state priorities "puts their reputation and career on the line".

It is trivial to see that pushing a potentially desired position of the state/intel agencies could very well raise one's reputation and career prospects with these institutions.

The primary critique of this whole issue is that it is lies. So, why would lying in the interest of the state be bad for one's status within those circles?

Framed in this manner these people are risking absolutely nothing.

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Post by BobbyJo »

nvy wrote: post #151
matrix12 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has worked at the fort can assure you that's not how it works...

Didn't he have a special PRIVACC designation that allowed him to bypass traditional "need to know" silo boundaries, under the auspices of being a sysadmin or whatever?

These systems are commonly air-gapped. Unless he physically went around to the various SCIFs, where the information would be, it doesn't matter what kind of access he had.

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Post by nonethewiser »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #157
philips wrote: post #136

I watched the hearing and noticed three things: 1. Many questions about the US response to aerial devices like the “Chinese ballon” and the public’s right to knowledge about those events. 2. Calls for removing career stigma around pilots reporting UAPs. 3. Calls for additional funding and policies surrounding research and reporting of unidentified aerial phenomenon. It was a combination of pragmatic process improveme…

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China admitted it was their balloon but claimed it wasn’t the government’s, nor for surveillance.

Does that mean China is just in on the conspiracy then?

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Post by pengaru »

nvy wrote: post #151
matrix12 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has worked at the fort can assure you that's not how it works...

Didn't he have a special PRIVACC designation that allowed him to bypass traditional "need to know" silo boundaries, under the auspices of being a sysadmin or whatever?

For anything like this to stay a secret this long, it's obviously not discoverable by a keyboard jockey having root privileges across the network. You don't need to know more acronyms to infer such things.

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Post by ericb »

joezydeco wrote: post #152
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

More precisely, a civilization that can master interstellar travel and navigation but somehow keeps crashing on our planet?

It's a fair point.

If you rephrase it as "a civilization that mastered interplanetary travel and can split the atom somehow keeps crashing on our planet" it makes me wonder.

What if bugs, suicidal or thrill-seeking pilots or overly confident bureaucracies remain a fixture in the next stages of life's evolution as well?

Or what if fixing those problems is harder than the technology?

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Post by shepardrtc »

AndrewKemendo wrote: post #163
srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity he…

> > putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line

> They aren't...

> Totally irrational.

Ok you just proved why they're putting their reputation and career on the line... people calling it irrational.

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Post by ozten »

The simplest explanation I've come up with is that the politicians like Marco Rubio and Matt Gaetz are servicing the UFO conspiracy segment of their demographics by supporting and encouraging David Grusch to be a UAP whistleblower.

Grusch's extraordinary claims that the US has forced a global secrecy around the race to recover working and crashed non-human vehicles since 1930, that biological materials (aliens) and vehicles have been recovered multiple times, and that there is currently multiple countries in a "cold war" like race to recover these vehicles on an ongoing basis, seems fanciful.

A beneficial pragmatic outcome will be if there was more government transparency and removal of stigma around reporting UAP for civilian and military pilots.

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Post by dabluecaboose »

kouru225 wrote: post #165
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

Huh? You’re telling me you think they can travel light years to get here but don’t have the tech to land without us detecting them? That’s an assumption.

I mean, we have stealth tech but I doubt the first instinct would be to put an F-117 on a one-way trip to Mars
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