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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Post by shepardrtc »

chiefalchemist wrote: post #145

> “I was informed, in the course of my official duties, of a multi-decade UAP crash retrieval and reverse-engineering program, to which I was denied access,” Grusch told the committee. So he's got hearsay but no hands-on or eyes-on direct proof. Like Mulder, I want to believe. But if you're going to speak under oath, you've got to do better than this.

He had names of people willing to testify, names of people to investigate, and exact locations of where to look. All of which he offered in a scif in accordance with the requirements of his clearance level. As soon as they get approved for the scif, then they'll see very quickly if he was full of shit or not.

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Post by potench »

shepardrtc wrote: post #135
Ancalagon wrote: post #116

It’s a good call out - the ability of the government to keep secrets across decades. But - tinfoil hat time - have they not demonstrated their ability to do this wrt the knowledge around nuclear weapons? Edit: and considering the claimed abilities of UAP, might those technologies be on par (in terms of military might) with the technology behind nuclear weapons? Also, that bit about a spaceship needing a biological pi…

They said nothing about a pilot. He said they found "biologics". Doesn't mean it was a pilot.

> “I don’t want to oversimplify it, but how are you going to fly one [spaceship]? You got to have somebody in it. That seems to be pretty simple,” Burchett said.

“Simple” is not the word I’d use to describe this conclusion.

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Post by AndrewKemendo »

srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

>putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line

They aren't because there is literally no new data, none. This isn't like Manning etc... where there was a materiel leak of classified data. So what would they be charged/fired for? Nothing. It's so much lazier, the claim is that being prevented access is somehow a proof of a coverup. All of the claims of harm were long before any of the publicity here.

All of the "whistleblowers" in these cases were not on any kind of career trajectory that this would have put in danger or even still serving in those roles.

They were all regular joes with uneventful military careers. They didn't bring new data to light like other whistleblowers - it's all rumors and speculation in this case, and literally a handful of shitty FLIR videos in others.

I'm baffled at the lack of epistemic consistency across truth claims. Nobody would accept this level of speculation for anything actually related to reality yet here we are wasting time on this. I've hurt myself today by being involved here at all. Totally irrational.

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Post by ericb »

jdwithit wrote: post #128
MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

It's pretty obvious what to make of it. The guy is an attention seeking nut, and it's a huge waste of time.

Did you watch it?

He doesn't come off that way.

He testified under oath. Every time he was asked for specifics, he said he had them, had already provided them, or in some cases would provide them immediately after because they were classified--which is the proper response if you don't want to go to jail.

If he's a nut, you'd expect evasion, contradiction, waffling and avoidance when asked for specifics. I didn't see any of that. He is already providing data that will be verifiable. An attention-seeking con would work hard to avoid providing anything he can be called out on. I have no idea what's going on, and this is all nuts, but that certainly didn't fit the mold I was expecting.

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Post by kouru225 »

MikeTheRocker wrote: post #115

I don't know what to make of this. It just seems so incredibly implausibly that extraterrestrials would have the technology or motive to come to Earth without widespread detection.

Huh? You’re telling me you think they can travel light years to get here but don’t have the tech to land without us detecting them? That’s an assumption.

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Post by nonethewiser »

uhmyeh wrote: post #155
srge wrote: post #132

Many people from the government and from the military are putting their reputation and career (and maybe safety) on the line to bring these informations to the public. Let’s at least recognize that before automatically casting doubt.

This stuff was popular in the Reagan era too. Odd to see it reappear right after Ronnie Junior left office They need performative theatre of such dramatic potential they can distract from the Senates bill about banning Congress owning stocks Edit: I don’t mean just the stock bill. They need to keep Overton window where it is.

Im not ruling out these UFO hearings are a conspiracy. Some sort of intelligence misdirection. But I recognize this is pure speculation.

But cover for not banning congress from stock trading? Really? What is your basis?

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Post by LapsangGuzzler »

nvy wrote: post #151
matrix12 wrote: post #143

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Anyone who has worked at the fort can assure you that's not how it works...

Didn't he have a special PRIVACC designation that allowed him to bypass traditional "need to know" silo boundaries, under the auspices of being a sysadmin or whatever?

He leaked documents from British and Australian intelligence according to his wiki page, so he obviously had broad access. I’m paraphrasing, but he’s specifically talked in interviews that he had access to almost everything.

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Post by waterheater »

dang wrote: post #158

Related threads on this hearing: Whistleblower tells Congress: US Gov't hides 'non-human intelligence' evidence - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36882051 - July 2023 (1 comment) Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36880471 - July 2023 (13 comments) Public US hearing on UFOs [video] - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36880454…

Maybe merge the three video links and keep the news stories separate?

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Post by shepardrtc »

jonplackett wrote: post #131

If they did reverse engineer these UFOs, they must have kept it very secret from the NASA SLS team, and EVERYONE at Boeing. If they secretly gave it all to spaceX then maybe we get a _slightly_ compelling argument…

They most likely haven't been able to reverse engineer much, if anything. But I suspect a profit motive was part of keeping it secret. If everyone knows, then other companies will compete to look at the materials and the contractors could lose out on a lot of money.
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