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Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

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A laptop consumes energy at the same order of magnitude as a human body—not an “obscene” amount. The physics of accelerating an organism to the relativistic speeds required to make space travel feasible are in a completely different realm.

Based on what we know it's highly unlikely/impossible but what if you don't have to accelerate?..

What if god is real (or gods, or whatever)?

That's what this all boils down to. It's the exact same line of logic.

Sure there could be an omnipotent all powerful being that just chooses to stay hidden from us for no provable, observable, or obvious reason. It's just impossible to prove or disprove.

What if they don't need to accelerate? Neat, it's STILL a shit ton of energy. What if they can teleport? Neat, it's STILL a shitton of energy. What if they can hop dimensions or bend the universe? Neat, it's STILL a shit ton of energy.

What if it's not a shit ton of energy? Fuck it why not, how did they find us? They have tech for that? Fuck it why not, why aren't they showing themselves beyond these extremely rare sightings? They have a reason for that. Fuck it why not, why would every government hide these? Tech or war or something. Fuck it why not, why hasn't SETI or one of the thousand other independent science observatories or detectors not picked up any of this or reported on it?.....

and on and on and on.

So i can't prove that tomorrow the Sun God Ra won't descend from the heavens and sit atop the pyramids as if it was his throne and rule from on high, but I damn sure don't have any evidence that's why the sun is moving across the sky.

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#112

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I would suggest you consider the possibility that the current understanding of physics a thousand years from now will look very different from how it looks today. Even more so a million years from now. The reality is that we're not a particularly intelligent species - as shown by the fact that we're currently terraforming our own planet to make it less hospitable. Our culture may well be extinct within a century. So…

So these incredibly advanced beings also keep accidentally crash landing their spaceships once they get to earth?

Who also somehow are aware of the location of earth, it having life, haven't made themselves known, and have only been seen in a way the governments can hush up (all of them).

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

#113
The general response in this discussion is skeptical, and I can understand the hesitation to broach the UFO/UAP topic, particularly when the topic has been vilified for literally decades. However, we are now in a legitimately different era of discussion of these topics, and you have to be willing to open your mind to the idea that these efforts are legitimate.

The bipartisanship at the hearing is to be commended, and the national security angle cannot be overstated. All three witnesses believe these UAP are genuine national security threats because they possess flight capabilities far exceeding anything beyond what we have. These UAP were documented on multiple military sensor platforms, some of which are still classified.

You must realize the USG has been and is engaged in an active disinformation campaign to deny existence of UAP, even to Congress. For example, multiple Subcommittee members mentioned that they wanted to meet in a SCIF with Grusch to receive a classified briefing but could not. A direct quote from the hearing: "Just so that the press knows and the people know, we [members of the Subcommittee] were even denied access to a classified briefing in a SCIF due to the amount of hoops we had to jump through to grant temporary clearance to witness Grusch, who has knowledge of classified information." Additionally, multiple members of Congress were initially denied access to data and personnel related to a UAP incident reported at Eglin AFB and in the end only received a portion of what was sought. Clear attempts to prevent elected officials from merely accessing relevant information is a genuine threat to national security because the military serves the people, not the other way around.

All three witnesses are trained and decorated military service members, each of which have since left the military. Their situational awareness and observational abilities are much better than you or me, particularly since we haven't been explicitly trained on such while they have. Additionally, Grusch is documented to have worked in both the National Reconnaissance Office (NRO) and National Geospatial-Intelligence Agency (NGA), two sensitive branches of the military intelligence community. As far as I'm aware, the NRO ships and provides military sensing platforms, and the NGA performs analysis from many different military data streams, including the NRO. Grusch even said in his opening statement that, at the NGA, he had a hand in making the Presidential Daily Briefing.

One commenter here says it's "more reasonable to assume this is psyops by an adversary", which is, by definition, a conspiracy theory, given that the commenter has no evidence of such occurring and would prefer to live in a world where three former US military service members are coerced to commit perjury to Congress about something which doesn't actually exist. Moreover, if an adversarial nation possesses craft with the capabilities described by the three witnesses, drawing any attention, even through an active disinformation campaign, to that strategic advantage is a clear breach of operational security with no clear, tangible benefit.

The preponderance of evidence in support of the existence of UAP should be overwhelming unless you've made the choice to not accept the premise: that intelligent life beyond humanity exists.

Here's a link to the full hearing recording: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KQ7Dw-739VY

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My thoughts exactly, what are they attempting to distract us from. I think it’s all the Hunter Biden stuff: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/justice-department/hunter-b...

Why would a bunch of republicans want to distract from something they’ve been desperately trying to use as an attack on Biden for years? This is a bipartisan hearing.

The Biden family’s corruption is so blatant and brazen, that if they really wanted to drag him through the mud they would.

I’m sure there’s a lot of this kind of corruption going on with Republicans in Congress as well so there’s a sort of mutually assured destruction protecting all of them.

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

#116
It’s a good call out - the ability of the government to keep secrets across decades.

But - tinfoil hat time - have they not demonstrated their ability to do this wrt the knowledge around nuclear weapons?

Edit: and considering the claimed abilities of UAP, might those technologies be on par (in terms of military might) with the technology behind nuclear weapons?

Also, that bit about a spaceship needing a biological pilot was kind of dumb. I don’t know how you can see the advances in AI these days and not be able to extrapolate an advanced space faring species not needing a biological pilot on their spaceship.

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> The objects captured from fighter jet IR cameras discussed in the past have also had explanation of lens flares and focal aberrations One is a potential flare/focal aberration. The other two have no such explanation, and one of the three has radar tracking, followed by pilot interaction (David Fravor), then was videod by a second pilot on encounter (the video that was released. Keep in mind also that all three are…

So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_? In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge. Create an elaborate story around unexplained IR camera observation. Potentially drop breadcrumbs & leave it ambiguous to project existence of…

> So, what stops the US government from making this an elaborate Psyops activity. Why should it be aliens _only_?

That just depends on what evidence you do, or do not believe. Depending on your selection, and number of explanations may make sense.

> In an unstable world, where power projection is necessary & inevitable, it is a tactical move to neither confirm or deny existence of unparalleled technological edge

Personally, I'd believe UFOs were all fake/mistakes before I believed it was real technology held by any government.

> The fact it isn't seen by India China Turkey Japan or any other sufficiently advanced military

It is. UFO reports come out of all of those countries. India has a religious tradition with very clear UFO references, and videos come out of China all the time (although they tend to be purposely faked 100% of the times I've seen).

NUFORC has a kaggle dataset in fact: https://www.kaggle.com/datasets/NUFORC/ufo-sightings

Re: Former intel officer says 'non-human biologics’ found at alleged UFO crash sites

#118
Snowden spent quite a bit of time looking for UFO stuff since he had access to almost everything classified and never found any evidence.

I’m not saying this whistleblower is definitely lying, but if anyone was capable and willing to bring this forward with receipts, Snowden would’ve done so.

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