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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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In the United States, a lot of times the individual situation is correlated to their skin color. The condition of being descendants of slaves, or people who faced other forms of official discrimination cited in the prevention of intergenerational wealth such as redlining, blockbusting or unfavorable treatment in the GI bill, etc., is ultimately an individual situation for each individual affected. The idea that you c…

I don't think anyone here is denying that there is a correlation, but there's a very legitimate question over whether policy should target the correlated trait (skin color) or the hardship itself (poverty) when trying to fix the problem.

It's a hard question to answer because the two are entertwined. Hence the term socio-economics.

Poverty is disproportionately in minorities' court due to historical discrimination based on skin color. That doesn't mean that there aren't poor white people. But it does mean that actions targeting minorities end up overlapping a lot with poverty.

The main reason it's relatively easy to target skin color is, well, visuals. Another can of worms in and of itself, but for the most part it's pretty easy to look at a certain minorities and pin them as such.Meanwhile financials are private and it's not like every millionaire is driving a fancy car with a suit and tie.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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We should go back to a California State university system that had capacity for any resident who academically qualified, and was tuition free. This was actually more cost effective than the byzantine money handling administrative policies we have now.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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On the one hand I 100% agree On the other hand we've got the phrase "Programs for the poor become poor" for a reason. Having a program that benefits everyone means that we all can support it out of enlightened self-interest. We can reduce overhead by providing food for everyone and not putting in place a complex government bureaucracy to carefully approve some people but not others, to give lobbyists a chance to advo…

Moreover, if free food is only available to low-income students, having to eat that food can become a symbol of poverty, and some students may feel ashamed to receive it. Making it available to all students, without reservation, avoids that.

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Harvard and other Ivy League universities got caught discriminating against Asians in their admissions. How do you justify that as a good thing?

Asians are over-represented in Harvard (note: I do no know if this is actually true) and the kinds of students rejected from Harvard but who'd get in anyway aren't exactly the kinds of students who'd fall out of society. I recognize the racism, but I also see the point of justification there. There is some distinct difference in discrimination at the top and discrmination at the bottom of the societal rungs.

I don't see where it could possibly be justifiable to discriminate against Asians. Where is the systemic racism that somehow gives Asians an advantage?

It's almost as if they are being punished for ruining the narrative through their own hard work, which would force people to admit that other minorities being underrepresented at Ivy League colleges is due to something other than just "systemic racism".

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

> In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were wards of the state lived, and how well-raised they were. Actually this sounds completely dystopian. In what world should people really wish they were foster kids? Its no wonder people warn against an effort to destroy the nuclear family.

It's probably the most dystopian and I'm very glad I didn't have to scroll to the bottom before someone said otherwise.

The logical end of this thinking is that people who would otherwise be perfectly capable of raising children would put them up for adoption because they would want the best outcome for their kids.

It's like Black Mirror episodes write themselves.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Equality is very different than equity. https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal...

> Equality is very different than equity How old are these definitions? I've only seen them used this way in public policy circles, and left-leaning ones at that. It's also totally discontinuous with the treatment of equality in classical literature. Put another way, isn't equity just a masking term for top-to-bottom wealth transfers?

Hm, if you’re looking at left or (by your own omission right) and don’t have one to share yourself I’d be thinking about the why behind your common.

Would you say Equality and equity are the same?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

So fuck me for having 2 parents, right? They were both poor, worked menial jobs. I wouldn't have qualified for this. There's always someone left out.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Where is the support for the middle class? The ones deemed too wealthy for financial aid, but not wealthy enough to actually afford the cost of college? Just more tax dollars being siphoned away from my family that got zero assistance.

I grew up on welfare in a shit neighborhood, but now I'm an upper middle class engineer. Trust me, poor people need the help. We are all indirectly benefitting from people getting out of poverty.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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The city government is controlled by the land owning elite.

Is the city government elected? How do you square support for democracy, and stating the city government is controlled by "the land owning elite" I am told questioning elections is a conspiracy.

Well let me also tell you that proactively playing the victim and daring people to challenge you is cringey and gross.

I don’t really like our democratic republic setup personally. I would prefer a popular vote based democracy for presidential elections with federal holiday voting and no ID requirements. Same for city elections although the problems on that scale are different.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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I think "Equity" was launched to the general public 2-3 years ago.

In 1968, H. George Frederickson articulated "a theory of social equity" and put it forward as the 'third pillar' of public administration.[4] Frederickson was concerned that those in public administration were making the mistake of assuming that citizen A is the same as citizen B; ignoring social and economic conditions. Using the term launched, similar to how tech companies launch products, implies a conspiracy to b…

It’s still only 2-3 years old on the meme learning platforms
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