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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#91
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> my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher Tennessee If it's a public school, those loans should begin falling off after five years and be forgiven after ten [1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/teacher-student...

Still not ideal.

Nothing is ideal. There’s always a compromise. I think supporting foster kids is a good idea.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#92

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Just to play devils advocate…

Foster children are not a protected class under the law.

Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws.

I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and neglected) which deals a lot with foster kids.

I favor programs that provide funding for foster kids like this and provide assistance when they “age out” of care, but it is a broad brushstroke and doesn’t take into consideration individual situations as you suggest. In other words foster children are not all alike nor are their situations. Some live in group homes and they are just a number or a check for foster parents, some live in loving and supportive homes, even sometimes in the homes of relatives when parental rights were lost but they are still considered foster children. Some become foster kids at 17 and others are born into it. There is everything in between.

It is about the equivalent in terms of diversity of situations as being a minority/protected class that has historically been discriminated against.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#93
post #22

I hate Newsom but I think this is a good idea. Education and support should be 100% free for those in the more difficult economic situations.

I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…

So you got a good paying job and had supportive parents. I don’t get why you’re complaining, at least you had parents. What is this program costing you?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#94

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> I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the food of those who keep my pay low. Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings? Food is cheap. Bureaucrats are not.

> Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings? Maybe. Don't assume yes.

> Maybe. Don't assume yes.

I'm not. I'm positing yes based on the cheapness of food.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#95
post #8

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also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...

I love this policy. If it's free then no-one brings their own, and no-one is looked down at. BUT... I checked the menu of a school where I used to live... Pizza, hot dogs, fries... We can make the most delicious vegetables, roasted, ... And they get carbs. Nutrition taken from nature decomposed in its elemental components put back together for the perfect addictive meal...

Interesting, most places I've seen are increasing the food restrictions, including in food brought from home. This is probably something you can address with your district if your state doesn't already some healthy school food law.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#96

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

In the United States, a lot of times the individual situation is correlated to their skin color. The condition of being descendants of slaves, or people who faced other forms of official discrimination cited in the prevention of intergenerational wealth such as redlining, blockbusting or unfavorable treatment in the GI bill, etc., is ultimately an individual situation for each individual affected. The idea that you c…

How many slaves in the family tree should someone have to qualify? Do white slaves count? How far back should we go? Would citizens whose families have immigrated to this country after the deed be also on the hook for reparations? Should reparations only be given to struggling people, or should they be given out regardless of the situation of the descendant of a slave?

It's a lot easier to quantify and equalize the situation here and now rather than to try to make up for a future that could have been, and for which no living being is responsible. The past is complex and blurry, and families aren't a straight line. And generally, people aren't bound by their ancestor's misdeeds.

Poor people should get more help from society in the US, that's a fact: race might be a strong predictor for poverty, but the best signal for poverty remains income and wealth, right here and right now.

Why bother looking at anything else? Are poor whites or asians somehow more blameable for their poverty than poor blacks? Should a successful black person get reparations from a white hobo, simply based on their lineage (that none of them have control on)?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#97
post #72

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In California it’s ~85% of high school students graduate on average across all demographics https://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/ad/datasummary.asp

Every time I see these numbers I'm shocked at how it's not >98%.

the high school era in ones' life has a lot of opportunity for personal hardship; in many ways it's the beginning of personal responsibility for a lot of people.

in other words : it's less likely that an elementary school student has to juggle an unwanted pregnancy, an estranged family, and a job at McDonalds; it's not that uncommon later on.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#98
post #85

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This is exactly correct. Fairness and equality.

Equality is very different than equity. https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal...

> Equality is very different than equity

How old are these definitions?

I've only seen them used this way in public policy circles, and left-leaning ones at that. It's also totally discontinuous with the treatment of equality in classical literature.

Put another way, isn't equity just a masking term for top-to-bottom wealth transfers?

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#99
post #22

I hate Newsom but I think this is a good idea. Education and support should be 100% free for those in the more difficult economic situations.

I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…

> Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum wage.

This is the real crime.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#100

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

It wasn't just about slavery but also racist laws that existed until the 70s~.
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