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> my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher Tennessee If it's a public school, those loans should begin falling off after five years and be forgiven after ten [1]. [1] https://www.forbes.com/advisor/student-loans/teacher-student...
Still not ideal.
All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#92This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
Foster children are not a protected class under the law.
Perhaps foster kids could or even should be a protected class, however unlike most protected classes that have faced historical systematic discrimination codified in law, the general hardships of foster children are not based in unjust laws.
I have worked in Dependency law (ie with children that have been abused, abandoned and neglected) which deals a lot with foster kids.
I favor programs that provide funding for foster kids like this and provide assistance when they “age out” of care, but it is a broad brushstroke and doesn’t take into consideration individual situations as you suggest. In other words foster children are not all alike nor are their situations. Some live in group homes and they are just a number or a check for foster parents, some live in loving and supportive homes, even sometimes in the homes of relatives when parental rights were lost but they are still considered foster children. Some become foster kids at 17 and others are born into it. There is everything in between.
It is about the equivalent in terms of diversity of situations as being a minority/protected class that has historically been discriminated against.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#93I hate Newsom but I think this is a good idea. Education and support should be 100% free for those in the more difficult economic situations.
I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…
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> I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the food of those who keep my pay low. Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings? Food is cheap. Bureaucrats are not.
> Doesn't the means-testing bureaucracy frequently outweigh any potential savings? Maybe. Don't assume yes.
I'm not. I'm positing yes based on the cheapness of food.
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also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...
I love this policy. If it's free then no-one brings their own, and no-one is looked down at. BUT... I checked the menu of a school where I used to live... Pizza, hot dogs, fries... We can make the most delicious vegetables, roasted, ... And they get carbs. Nutrition taken from nature decomposed in its elemental components put back together for the perfect addictive meal...
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#96This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
In the United States, a lot of times the individual situation is correlated to their skin color. The condition of being descendants of slaves, or people who faced other forms of official discrimination cited in the prevention of intergenerational wealth such as redlining, blockbusting or unfavorable treatment in the GI bill, etc., is ultimately an individual situation for each individual affected. The idea that you c…
It's a lot easier to quantify and equalize the situation here and now rather than to try to make up for a future that could have been, and for which no living being is responsible. The past is complex and blurry, and families aren't a straight line. And generally, people aren't bound by their ancestor's misdeeds.
Poor people should get more help from society in the US, that's a fact: race might be a strong predictor for poverty, but the best signal for poverty remains income and wealth, right here and right now.
Why bother looking at anything else? Are poor whites or asians somehow more blameable for their poverty than poor blacks? Should a successful black person get reparations from a white hobo, simply based on their lineage (that none of them have control on)?
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In California it’s ~85% of high school students graduate on average across all demographics https://www.cde.ca.gov/ds/ad/datasummary.asp
Every time I see these numbers I'm shocked at how it's not >98%.
in other words : it's less likely that an elementary school student has to juggle an unwanted pregnancy, an estranged family, and a job at McDonalds; it's not that uncommon later on.
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This is exactly correct. Fairness and equality.
Equality is very different than equity. https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal...
How old are these definitions?
I've only seen them used this way in public policy circles, and left-leaning ones at that. It's also totally discontinuous with the treatment of equality in classical literature.
Put another way, isn't equity just a masking term for top-to-bottom wealth transfers?
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#99I hate Newsom but I think this is a good idea. Education and support should be 100% free for those in the more difficult economic situations.
I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…
This is the real crime.
Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free
#100This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.
Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…