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All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

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Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#81
Now in a better world we'd drop a word from this sentence and make it free for all state residents. That's closer to what it used to be.

Realistically this doesn't change much since it's extremely unlikely a foster kid wouldn't qualify for a full ride prior to this.

The only people who really get screwed are middle class families who make too much to qualify for aid, but can't really afford to pay for school.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#82
I thought this was already a thing. It turns out to be partially covered in 35 states:

> As of 2021, there are 35 states that have some type of statewide postsecondary education tuition waiver or scholarship program for students who have been in foster care.

> 24 states have statewide tuition waivers: Alaska[1], Arizona, California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachusetts, Minnesota, Missouri, Nevada, New Hampshire, New Jersey, New Mexico, Oklahoma, Oregon, Pennsylvania, Texas, Utah, West Virginia, (Dark blue color on the map)

> 4 states have state funded grant programs for students in foster care are: Ohio, Rhode Island, Tennessee, Virginia. (Light blue color on the map)

> 7 states have state funded scholarship programs for students in foster care are: Alabama, Arkansas, Iowa, Michigan, New York, North Carolina, and Washington. (Purple color on the map)

> 16 states and the District of Columbia have only the Federal Chafee Educational Training Voucher: Colorado, Delaware, District of Columbia, Hawaii, Idaho, Indiana, Louisiana, Mississippi, Montana, Nebraska, North Dakota, South Carolina, South Dakota, Vermont, Wisconsin and Wyoming (Yellow color on the map)

https://depts.washington.edu/fostered/tuition-waivers-state (bonus points for software gore right below the title)

What I was thinking of was the Chafee Educational Training Voucher, which gives up to a $5000/year reimbursement:

> Students can get up to $5,000 per academic year based on cost of attendance, available funds, the student’s unmet financial need.

> Note: For the federal fiscal year 2022, the voucher’s maximum annual amount was temporarily increased to $12,000. On Oct. 1, 2022, the maximum award will revert to $5,000 per year.

https://studentaid.gov/sites/default/files/foster-youth-vouc...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#83

This is what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation, not because their skin color or gender.

In the United States, a lot of times the individual situation is correlated to their skin color.

The condition of being descendants of slaves, or people who faced other forms of official discrimination cited in the prevention of intergenerational wealth such as redlining, blockbusting or unfavorable treatment in the GI bill, etc., is ultimately an individual situation for each individual affected.

The idea that you can dismiss that as not an individual hardship -- though it kind of is for those impacted -- strikes me as pretty much a word game, nothing more. Not unlike the word games American laws started to use when they could no longer punish people de jure for their race.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#84
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also free lunches in schools https://www.nycfoodpolicy.org/states-that-have-passed-univer...

I love this policy. If it's free then no-one brings their own, and no-one is looked down at. BUT... I checked the menu of a school where I used to live... Pizza, hot dogs, fries... We can make the most delicious vegetables, roasted, ... And they get carbs. Nutrition taken from nature decomposed in its elemental components put back together for the perfect addictive meal...

We shouldn't let perfect be the enemy of good. I'd rather see kids get free pizza and hot dogs for school lunch, than I would a system where it costs $8 per student and only some kids get free lunch, but it's 100% vegan fair trade certified healthy food.

Now if you can pull a boiling frog meme and make the pizza be healthy, haha more power to them!

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#85

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> what affirmative action should be... helping people out based on their individual situation Also, just helping them out. Nobody gets hurt. This isn't creating an allotment of seats for foster kids. The selection process, and thus odds, are the same for them and everyone else.

This is exactly correct. Fairness and equality.

Equality is very different than equity.

https://onlinepublichealth.gwu.edu/resources/equity-vs-equal...

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#86

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Affirmative action shouldn't ever have been a contest with prizes for the most unfortunate. It was sold as a way to fix the wrongs of slavery. Having been enslaved legally in the US is not a race, it's an atrocity. The reason we should be paying for foster kids' college is because the state is their parent, so it's our responsibility. In a country that wasn't shit, regular people would be jealous of how kids who were…

> regular people would be jealous of how kids who were wards of the state lived Given that the money to do that would have been taken from those parents, you can see why in a democracy parents would object to having their resources stolen for government kids to have better lives over their own.

They should give their kids up if they don't want them.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#87

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I do not understand why it should be limited to foster kids. Just make the schools free for all, and collect with higher marginal income / wealth taxes. It should not be dependent on parents’ status either. I got zero aid due to my parents, but I also got zero from my parents.

If it's all free, it'll be just like the public school system.

It all does not have to be free, just a government funded option to provide a floor. Public school was my only saving grace, being from an immigrant family that did not know English or how to navigate America.

Although, I also do not think government needs to pay for free schooling for 17 years. Can easily cut some fluff and drop that to 15 years, and still give people a solid foundation equivalent to a Bachelors.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#88

I thought this was already a thing. It turns out to be partially covered in 35 states: > As of 2021, there are 35 states that have some type of statewide postsecondary education tuition waiver or scholarship program for students who have been in foster care. > 24 states have statewide tuition waivers: Alaska[1], Arizona, California, Connecticut, Florida, Georgia, Illinois, Kansas, Kentucky, Maine, Maryland, Massachus…

N.B. in New Mexico we recently made state school free for all residents.

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#89
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I don’t agree. My parents are low middle class. We didn’t qualify for any financial aid and they were tasked with trying to find a way to send both my sister and I to college which they couldn’t afford. So what did we do? Take out a bunch of loans. Good thing I got a decent job that can pay for them. Too bad for my sister who had a masters and is making $35k as a teacher in Tennessee which is barely more than minimum…

I think it should be free because of stories like yours. It shouldn't be a requirement to be saddled with debt to participate in society.

Problem with free tuitition is it only incentivizes cash grab from educational institutions.

There will be gazillion universities overnight similar to coding bootcamps - all competing for state funded tuition without any regard to quality

Re: All foster kids in California can now attend any state college for free

#90

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As a taxpayer who funds public schools, I find it acceptable to subsidize the food of those who are struggling, but I do not have any desire to subsidize the ruling elite (who, in many cases, intentionally keep working class pay low). They can pay for their own children's food.

There is no reason not make it universal. A lot of kids will still bring their own lunches. Teens in high school will choose paid lunch options some of time. The program would probably have a similar cost to SNAP. Hungry kids don't learn well, so feeding them will lead to a modest increase of academic achievement on average. Academic achievement correlates with higher earnings, thereby paying for the program with the…

This seems to make sense on the surface, but I'm skeptical about the last part. It seems we're in a race to the bottom and "good" jobs are increasingly scarce. It seems there aren't enough good jobs for the population. Basically, the logic you laid out is probably sound for small marginal changes, but I'm skeptical it would scale well due to the competition and limited resources.
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