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ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by mschuster91 »

RunSet wrote: post #221
mschuster91 wrote: post #216

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Raspberry Pi and its various competitors... the problem is you can't just go and buy ARM CPUs or boards if you're not either willing to upfront serious amounts of cash or have personal relations to Qualcomm and friends (which is how RPi got their in). You have a couple top tier vendors when it comes to actually performant SoCs: - Apple, which exclusively produces for their own lineup, and has inarguably the best-perf…

> Apple, which exclusively produces for their own lineup, and has inarguably the best-performing chips by far in raw performance and power efficiency to a tune they're outperforming Intel Also limited in terms of running Linux on it, since the poster you replied to asked about that.

At least the incentive for highly skilled reverse engineers is there and it's showing in pretty solid support [2] and contributions.

For example Apple is known for re-using SoC blocks across many generations - according to an (admittedly unsourced, but I've seen it stated multiple times) HN comment [1], the UART has been the same since the first iPhone through all the years past including M1/M2 machines, whereas Samsung alone has four incompatible variations, and all the other vendors each have their own idea as well, while the entirety of x86 can be spoken to in bare-metal assembler.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=28768942

[2] https://github.com/AsahiLinux/docs/wiki/Feature-Support

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by mrspuratic »

bunnie wrote: post #149
sandreas wrote: post #132

I personally used an old NUC6i5 with 16GB Ram and 1TB SSD as my private "HomeServer" / "Media-PC" / "RemoteMachine" for a long time, mainly bought because it was (and still is) 5.9W idle power consumption while reasonable performance (way more than a raspberry PI at the time). I also spent the money on an Akasa Passive case[1], which made the device very expensive in total, but it was worth it at the time. It's still…

I have used the NUCs to integrate controllers into small robotic platforms and custom lab equipment. They are a good 'it just works' platform that you can scale performance v cost over time as needs vary (need image processing? drop in a core i7. just motion control? save money and go with an i3 or atom). Also they are more reliable and performant than RPi, and relative to the cost of the motion control systems, the…

I use the VESA plate to mount on the back of a monitor (with an extension plate since there's a stand too). Completely out of view, almost silent, I can just flip the DP/HDMI inputs and go from "work" to "home" desktop (though full-screen VNC is plenty zippy and saves faffing with keyb/mouse). It's just a home (linux/Slackware) server for storage/streaming/tinkering but glad I spent a few extra € as it's rock solid.

My sheevaplug (!) sits unloved in a drawer since I got it :D

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by rwmj »

deadbunny wrote: post #229
rwmj wrote: post #175

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I have ~ 10 NUCs in various roles, also some Gigabyte Brix. Some are servers, some are single-use developer machines (eg. I have separate ones for RHEL 7, 8 and 9), one is a desktop, one is a router. Having owned so many over years, I've found they are fairly prone to problems and have some missing features. My main gripes are: - Unreliable RAM. Obviously being Intel, ECC is not supported, and I have had several with…

> - No remote access / BMC. This would be the one feature that would make the systems 100x more useful. Ironically this is one of the options provided by some models in the dizzying line up. While it's not a dedicated IPMI port it uses Intel vPro for BMC like functionality. You'll pay a pretty premium for those models though.

I tried to buy one, but once I worked out what the exact model number was that had VPro I couldn't find one in stock anywhere. It should really be a standard feature, but I guess Intel didn't want to cannibalize server sales?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by tomsmeding »

vxNsr wrote: post #185
tim-fan wrote: post #150

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Or nook (rhymes with book)? At work I say nuck, but most others say nook, so I'd like to get to the bottom of this!

Wait, zuck and book rhyme, how are nook and nuck different?

zUck https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Near-open_central_vowel

bOOk https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Close_central_rounded_vowel

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by tonyarkles »

mikecoles wrote: post #230
phpisthebest wrote: post #207

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I bought it for Price The Intel NUC Celeron systems could not be met for price if you also needed Windows. To beat the NUC Celeron on price you had to drop to ARM and use Linux but if the software you needed to run only supported Windows that was not an option. the Celeron NUC's where GREAT for Line of Business use cases where the computer was running a Screen, or Single windows Application

Needing that much horsepower for a screen or single application is a sign that anything requiring Windows should be automatically disqualified.

I used to feel the same way about kiosks, POS terminals, etc. but… if you have an organization whose bread & butter is C# desktop apps and Windows development and they’re looking for, say, qty 10 units, you’ll have a really hard time justifying the training and NRE costs to do anything but Windows.

I 100% agree that it’s not the technically optimal solution. But don’t discount the idea that, given an existing set of people and skills, it can definitely be the local optima organizationally.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by jojobas »

lockhouse wrote: post #239
jojobas wrote: post #84

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Or, just as a wild thought, stay away from overpriced hardware.

What’s overpriced about the base model Mac mini? I agree that Apple way overcharges for upgrades, but the base model looks reasonably priced to me.

I dunno, the fact that you can get a much beefier machine for the same price?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by FirmwareBurner »

Kon-Peki wrote: post #238
FirmwareBurner wrote: post #172

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*That's much slower and higher latency than the internal storage. And where do you plug in the extra RAM?

This thread is talking about HTPC, and I'm wondering what the use case is where you need lots of RAM and the speed/latency of an internal NVMe drive. My HTPC is about 12 years old, and I'm pretty sure that the internal SATA SSDs are slower than a modern external USB3.1 drive. Yet it does everything I ask of it with no noticeable delay.

>This thread is talking about HTPC

No, the thread is not mentioning HTPCS but about NUCs, which can also be used to do productivity work/games, not just watching movies, so exqueeze me that I want/need a system with 16GB of RAM and some decent storage in mid-2023 to be productive and am not contempt with the bare minimums of 8GB/256 and being price gouged for any drop over that.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by jojobas »

indymike wrote: post #234
jojobas wrote: post #87

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Just checked on ebay, a 12500H NUC with 16GB ram and 1TB SSD is $518. You have to be in a completely distorted reality field to choose Apple in these circumstances.

>ave to be in a completely distorted reality field to choose Apple in these circumstances I'm not sure a NUC is a good replacement for a laptop. That said, there are some really nice Intel and AMD based machines out there.

I'm responding to the guy who suggested a mac mini, not a laptop.

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Post by jojobas »

speedgoose wrote: post #214
tjoff wrote: post #195

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As if the typical use case is to run ARM Linux VMs... But fine. The typical solution, if VMs are your use case, is to use a hypervisor, such as XCP-NG, proxmox, ESXi etc. But if you want to shoehorn in OS X just for the sake of it, sure, that will work. But I guess you'd have to be pretty deep into apples ecosystem to even consider that. And with VMs you typically want RAM and disk-space, and if you pick such a close…

If most of the devops people already use macs, it’s not too crazy. But that’s a good point. I would say that we are in the DIY infrastructure world as deploying VMs on a Mac mini or NUC isn’t really following the industry best practices, but installing proxmox on a amd64 box is probably easier.

The VMs that mac-wielding DevOps guys deploy don't go into their laptops.
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