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ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by mkesper »

lrem wrote: post #145
xbmcuser wrote: post #94

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After owning and using the same shield since 2016 I was advising to get it if anyone asked for a streaming and local playback of media. But now days I think Apple TV beats it easily as a streaming device. If Apple moved to an M chip and added audio passthrough it would be no contest. I would not advise people to get Shield if they want to get a device for the next 5-6 years unless it has a hardware refresh.

It does 4k HDR and ATMOS. What does it lack?

Who really needs ATMOS, wasn't that only marketing fluff?

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by magicalhippo »

Zanfa wrote: post #142
magicalhippo wrote: post #4

Been using an Asus PN51[1] with KDE Neon for about a year, and overall I'm very happy with it. Performance is good, never had a crash, stuff just worked out of the box without fuzz. Seems like a decent fit to me. [1]: https://www.asus.com/us/displays-desktops/mini-pcs/pn-series...

Did PN51 come with networking supported by default? When I got my PN50 some time ago, it couldn't connect to either wireless or wired networks and there was no indication which manufacturer's driver was required without some disassembly. I also loved how they shipped a CD with a computer that has no means of reading it with included drivers, so that was completely unhelpful. Why is installing drivers still a thing in…

Yeah both worked without any manual intervention. Was positively surprised of how smooth it went.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by criddell »

tjoff wrote: post #133
adastra22 wrote: post #114

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You can put a 4tb drive on a USB port.

Such hacks just to get trapped in apples ecosystem? How can that be appealing?

How are you trapped in the ecosystem?

A Mac Mini can run more software than any of their competitors (you can’t install macOS on a VM on a Windows or Linux host but the reverse is possible).

Even on the hardware side you are free to connect third party drives, monitors, keyboards, etc…

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by viraptor »

SSLy wrote: post #138
o1y32 wrote: post #53

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I would remove the word "inexpensive". Many alternatives cost less. I know people buy Intel for brand, quality and warranty but definitely not price.

What would be some of the alternatives? I don't even need a gpu. It will be a home server.

Used NUC, optiplex or others from eBay. If you need just "a" server for home, look for one of those small PCs on the used market. They often appear at very low prices after some company refreshes their office desktops. Replace the storage with something decent and you've got a perfect server.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by tjoff »

speedgoose wrote: post #190
tjoff wrote: post #164

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You won't stop the turbo mode, it is still working as designed... Yes, for the first time in eternity apple has an edge in hardware. The solution is obviously to go all in in their walled garden ... profit? You pick software ecosystem first, then you pick the hardware to run it. As such NUC vs. Mac Mini is apples vs. oranges.

If you already run ARM Linux VMs, it’s not much differences. The VMs host will run macOS instead of Linux but that’s not the end of the world.

As if the typical use case is to run ARM Linux VMs... But fine.

The typical solution, if VMs are your use case, is to use a hypervisor, such as XCP-NG, proxmox, ESXi etc. But if you want to shoehorn in OS X just for the sake of it, sure, that will work. But I guess you'd have to be pretty deep into apples ecosystem to even consider that.

And with VMs you typically want RAM and disk-space, and if you pick such a closed ecosystem that is going to be a real bummer.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by radicalbyte »

xbmcuser wrote: post #94
shaklee3 wrote: post #83

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I had an htpc for over a decade in various forms. I finally just settled on the Nvidia shield reading over NFS. It's so much better than the htpc I don't regret it for a minute.

After owning and using the same shield since 2016 I was advising to get it if anyone asked for a streaming and local playback of media. But now days I think Apple TV beats it easily as a streaming device. If Apple moved to an M chip and added audio passthrough it would be no contest. I would not advise people to get Shield if they want to get a device for the next 5-6 years unless it has a hardware refresh.

I've gone from the Shield (bought it within a month of release to replace my Boxee) to just using Android TV in my Bravia.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by user_named »

baz00 wrote: post #144
j45 wrote: post #58

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Lenovo has the thinkcentre line Dell has the optiplex Go has the elitedesk and pro desk All in mini/usff formfactor similar to the size of a Mac mini.

Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

Yeah but for the same money as your Lenovo, you can get something much smaller.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by qwerty456127 »

RandomBK wrote: post #5

I find the development quite interesting, and it lends credence to the theory Intel's NUC line was technically profitable (or at least not horrifically in the red), but just didn't make strategic sense - especially from a 'competing with your own customers' view. While I never bought one of these NUCs myself, I've used quite a few deployed as thin clients and kiosk machines. Let's see what ASUS ends up doing with the…

> didn't make strategic sense

Good little practical personal hardware things like NUC are what makes people love a company.

E.g. Intel CPUs always were just default CPUs and what made me love the brand were Intel Desktop Boards which were exceptionally reliable (although I've heard some people had different experience). IBM/Dell/HP/etc servers always were just servers but their high-quality "enterprise class" laptops made me sympathize them, despite they probably never meant to make a huge portion of their profit from selling these. RaspberryPi hugely changed how do I feel about Broadcom, towards the positive direction. This is about purely subjective perception but I would guess this can play a role in many cases. Haven't IBM benefit from the fact ThinkPads were used on the space stations?

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Post by prima-facie »

baz00 wrote: post #144
j45 wrote: post #58

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Lenovo has the thinkcentre line Dell has the optiplex Go has the elitedesk and pro desk All in mini/usff formfactor similar to the size of a Mac mini.

Yes this. The tiny PCs tend to have mobile CPUs in them as well which can feel a little sluggish. You can get a decent small desktop for the same money. I have a Lenovo Neo 50s as my main computer with a 12400, 32Gb of RAM and 1TB SN850X SSD in it. Very nice, quiet and reliable machine.

The Tiny/Mini/Micro series from Lenovo/HP/Dell don't use mobile CPUs at all, but the throttled (T) versions of their desktop counterparts. They're even socketed, so you could swap them out.

I use a Dell OptiPlex 7000 Micro having an i5-12500T CPU as my main dev machine and it's very snappy. Add a monitor and mount it on a MFS18 stand and you have a nice all-in-one system.

Re: ASUS to manufacture and sell Intel’s NUC products

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Post by ourmandave »

adrian_b wrote: post #89
bfdm wrote: post #25

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I have been using a NUC as an HTPC for several years now and it's great, though the comments in the previous conversation about them ending the line were right about the noise. I'm in the market for a similar device to replace my dangerously past EOL desktop, and funny enough I have been circling around Asus' SFF line.

I have used many kinds of NUCs from various generations and a pair of NUC8 (i.e. with Coffee Lake U CPUs) are much quieter than both the earlier and the later NUCs. Most of the time they are completely inaudible. I have one that works 24/7 as a server in the room where I sleep. You can hear them only at full load, which in these NUCs means 50 W power for the first half minute, and then 30 W forever. Unfortunately lat…

I have one that works 24/7 as a server in the room where I sleep.

Used to keep all the server and network stuff in my room, but couldn't sleep.

All the leds were like a blinking Christmas display.

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