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Post by justcool393 »

grishka wrote: post #186
greyface- wrote: post #45

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There didn't use to be any rules to play by. Official "front door" APIs are a modern phenomenon. They started being offered, and rugpulls were rare, so we got complacent and started using them rather than reverse engineering first-party APIs.

In the one non-open-source company I worked at, the first-party API was an extension of the public API. Some methods took additional internal-only parameters if you were using one of the official app IDs, for example. Some returned additional fields in responses. A bunch of additional internal-only methods also became available. I mean, if you have a public API, it makes sense, engineering-wise, to build your interna…

That's basically how reddit works. I've implied this in comments on reddit[1], but there is basically no way for reddit to do what it wants to do with non-OAuth clients.

Old reddit for example uses the reddit API essentially directly. now with new reddit, there's been a split, and it looks like from my count that reddit is currently supporting like 7 different APIs internally, parts of them all used in various different places. The reddit API is pretty functional and most of what anyone would ever really want to do was already supported in the API (and therefore available basically with few current restrictions).

Few of the actual undocumented/internal APIs on reddit are all that interesting.

[1]: https://www.reddit.com/r/redditdev/comments/14nbw6g/updated_...

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by holler »

mrweasel wrote: post #158
holler wrote: post #138

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You're welcome on Sqwok ( https://sqwok.im ), it's chat based, in active dev

If that's you idea of a Reddit replacement, then you've been using Reddit very different from most people. The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information that has gone into every minor sub-reddit. I don't think it's sub-reddits like /r/askreddit, /r/pics or /r/politics that people would be missing in a Reddit clone. It's all the small specialized sub-reddit, wh…

I wouldn't say it's a replacement, rather it's a new experience focused on what I believe is a shortcoming with current social media sites in that they aren't optimized for live discussion.

For instance you mention "debate the finer points of various aspect ratios". Current social networks are not very good for actual debate, in fact the genesis of Sqwok can be traced to a live debate in r/worldnews where I grew tired of refreshing the page. Many of the alternatives popping up for both Twitter & Reddit are cloning the underlying data model and user interface without offering much more.

Sqwok is different in that it couples some of the familiar aspects of existing social networking with high quality instant messaging, designed from the ground up for live public debate and discussion in a new format. Still has a long way to go but I believe there's a place for it.

> The issue with replacing Reddit is that you need millions of users to crowd-source all that information

Reddit didn't start out with subreddits or millions of people, it was just a fun place to read the news.

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Post by philipov »

parineum wrote: post #200
philipov wrote: post #170

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Twitter is not the ship to be jumping to now, though. It's also on fire.

The demise of Twitter is greatly exaggerated.

Whether you believe it'll be fatal or a phoenix-like rebirth, you can't deny it's burning right now.

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Post by AlecSchueler »

add-sub-mul-div wrote: post #189
AlecSchueler wrote: post #155

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And how will we do that? Where will we go?

Wherever we want. There are options, if you don't let the media sell you the narrative that anything that's isn't as big as Twitter was at its peak is a failure. The lessons I've taken away are that it's dangerous to get too invested in any one network, and when network effects get too big they do more harm than good.

That sounds good. Could you expand on the available options in the context of getting "back to the roots of what keeps online communities from becoming cesspools?"

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Post by toyg »

mrweasel wrote: post #161
LeFantome wrote: post #76

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What alternatives? I am here because I lost access to Reddit. Lemmy is not a replacement. A totally different experience for every sub-Reddit is not going to work. Reddit was pitched as The Front Page of the Internet. Where is the front page of Lemmy?

Usenet? The more I think about it, Reddit is just Usenet with better moderation and voting. The voting doesn't make that much sense in the smaller sub-reddits where you'd typically read all the posts anyway. So that basically just leaves you with building better moderation. Still a hard problem, but not impossible. If we had spent the time building better NNTP clients, rather than trying to integrate with the API of…

NNTP was a bit of a dumpster fire though. Each ISP carrying some groups, or none at all, losing messages left and right ... Those problems cannot be solved with a better client, they were fundamental issues.

Now, if you had said "if we had spent the time building a better NNTP protocol and servers", I would have agreed. In the end, that's basically what the fediverse is.

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Post by toyg »

grishka wrote: post #119
water554 wrote: post #92

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More like 20-25 years ago

ICQ was the messaging service everyone around me used in the late 00s. The two most popular clients were QIP and Miranda. Then VKontakte introduced instant messaging and ICQ was quickly forgotten. Then, around 5 years later, people started gradually switching to Telegram. Today almost everyone I chat with uses Telegram.

The network effects were very localized, depending on which country you were you would have probably used a different service. ICQ faded out pretty quickly around 2002 where I lived, with MSN, Yahoo, and Google, taking over. I know in the States they also had a lot of AOL and iChat.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by parineum »

philipov wrote: post #203
parineum wrote: post #200

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The demise of Twitter is greatly exaggerated.

Whether you believe it'll be fatal or a phoenix-like rebirth, you can't deny it's burning right now.

As a person that's never used Twitter, it's as on fire as it's always been, the people yelling about it just changed but none of them are leaving.

It feels a whole lot like people who threaten to move to Canada every 4 years.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by reddtastic »

nyreed wrote: post #157

I thought teddit used something called "unofficial api" which uses reddits rss feeds to avoid using api keys and hitting rate limits. Is this not the case?

I don’t know how Teddit works but RSS appears to be rate limited as well. I read several reports.

Re: Teddit Is Shutting Down

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Post by charcircuit »

flangola7 wrote: post #196
charcircuit wrote: post #35

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Most notably higher chargeback rates

Why are chargebacks higher? Why can't that just be accounted for in the processor's rates?

>Why are chargebacks higher?

People pretend their purchases are fraud or regret their purchase later so they chargeback more frequently than other services.

>Why can't that just be accounted for in the processor's rates?

Because it's easier as a credit card processor to just drop all of your high risk clients and focus on serving the rest of your customers as best as you can. Of course that leaves a whole in the market for other credit card processors that charge more for allowing higher risk purchasing.

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