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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by [deleted] »

robertlagrant wrote: post #193
nerdponx wrote: post #159

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I like how you conveniently left out that you're using a retina display until maybe your fifth post complaining about this. It's possible that none of the developers can afford to buy a $2000 laptop for testing. If the icons are obviously fuzzy on your machine, grab a screenshot, post a bug on the bug tracker, and let it be. I assume also that you are already a substantial monthly donor. If not, then I think all this…

The marketing site says this: > Our new designs remain sharp and pixel-perfect at any density setting. Why are you having a go at someone who's just saying that the icons are fuzzy? If it's true it's true.

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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by andix »

velosol wrote: post #185
andix wrote: post #156

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If the UI platform you're using supports themes, this can usually be fixed with that. Provide one default theme that looks perfectly polished, and another more compact one for power users.

Which do you default to for someone coming from years of Thunderbird usage? How in-your-face is compact mode toggle in the ootb experience for a fresh install? And sadly how many people are going to be new to Thunderbird these days? If I got the 'polished' version as part of the normal update cycle I'd be upset that my tight, space-efficient and incredibly responsive productivity app had decided to use a design langu…

Best is to ask them in my opinion. After the update: „we have a new design, do you want to use it or do you want to stay on the more compact design? You can change it any time in the settings menu “. The dialog should have pictograms of both designs.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by slowmovintarget »

danpalmer wrote: post #92

I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul. Text is misaligned in lots of places, the icons are fuzzy, spacing and padding is inconsistent even within the same areas, there are 3 sets of 3-dot icons in the sidebar in two different axes. It's just careless. Most users don't care about the alignment and spacing and so on in isolation, but they do get a sense of quality from the overall impact. This…

But I can guess how the kebab and ellipsis menus are going to open... Granted, if they don't actually open that way, and don't apply to the sections they're in, then that could be a problem.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by cortic »

tentacleuno wrote: post #149
cortic wrote: post #80

Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

> Edit; Okay i know i could buy a bigger data pen, but i also do weekly backups to the cloud and am limited to 7mbps upload, 2g takes 40 minutes, so every bit i can shave off helps. But i want to emphasize i realize it won't be important for the majority of users Curious here: so you continuously upload your Thunderbird executable to the cloud? Why? Most upload+sync solutions worth their salt (FreeFileSync, Syncthing…

Over the years i have run into OS problems that require format-reinstall, which used to take days to get normality back. So i moved everything i could to portable software on a USB pen drive, browser, email, graphics, 3d, text editors, PIMs, i even have xampp server mostly running portable. All saving data locally where possible, encrypted.. then i just back up everything periodically and i know my entire work-flow can continue on a new OS, or even a different PC with little interruption.

I have looked into Sync software, and i use this for local backups, but I'd only trust the cloud with an encrypted file container, which i have to re-upload each time.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by cubefox »

jcranmer wrote: post #196
cubefox wrote: post #70

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They did use XULRunner in the past, but probably something else nowadays.

Actually, Thunderbird was never on XULRunner; it always relied on linking all of its code into libxul. For some strange reason, many of the C++ string APIs are different depending on when you linked into or outside of libxul, which meant it was a lot of chore to maintain a build that worked on XULRunner, and the project was never completed before Mozilla killed XULRunner in favor of embedding stories that never laste…

Thanks for the correction.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by guessbest »

joiqj wrote: post #43
PinguTS wrote: post #28

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Remind you, that Microsoft wants go get rid of its Microsoft Office and will make it a Website only.

First, I don't think they'll be able to. I have had the displeasure of using their web Outlook client and it was absurdly buggy for a software company of the stature of Microsoft. I can only imagine how terrible the web version of a complex software like Excel will be. Not to mention the poor performance. There's no way they will lose all of their finance customers like that... but, it's Microsoft, so... who knows. S…

Users can't run macros or create macros in the office webapps. Seems like a major step backwards in usability.

> Although you can't create, run, or edit VBA (Visual Basic for Applications) macros in Excel for the web, you can open and edit a workbook that contains macros. Any existing macros will remain in the workbook, and you can open the workbook in the Excel desktop app to view and edit the macros.

https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/work-with-vba-mac...

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by jzb »

geek_at wrote: post #179
zvmaz wrote: post #116

The tone and level of entitlement of some comments is astonishing. Thunderbird is a free and open source tool, used by many (including me). The least we can do is to be a little nicer.

I love thunderbird but I don't understand their update schedules. I just now got an update (thought it would be to 115) but it's to 102 [1]. In the release notes of 102 it says it was made public only 5 days ago (and they say 115 is coming soon). And seemingly it can't update to 115? Am I missing something here? [1] https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/thunderbird/102.13.0/relea... [edit] okay it seems 115 is not yet re…

That threw me for a loop. I went to download 115 and got 102.

I've mostly stuck with webmail (Fastmail for personal, Gmail for work) but would love to get back to a local client. So I'm willing to give the new Thunderbird a shot, but it's perplexing when they advertise 115 and give me 102 and it's really unclear how to get the nifty stuff they're advertising.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by WhyNotHugo »

jraph wrote: post #11
sergimansilla wrote: post #7

I’ve been using the beta for some weeks, and it’s fantastic. snappy fast, and makes me feel in control. I’m not using (and probably never will) any of the non-email features like the calendar, or the chat. But they are relatively hidden away, so they don’t bother me.

Calendar in the mail client is very useful since invitations are sent by mail. You click accept, the recipient knows you did and the event is added to your calendar. But indeed if you don't use it it does not get in the way, which is perfect.

I also receive pdfs via email, but I don’t want a pdf reader in my email client.

It’s perfectly feasible to write an email client that hands off received events to a calendar application and receives the response to send back. It’s all icalendar components under the hood anyway.

Putting everything together in a single monolithic program that handles email, calendar and contacts is a design choice, not a technical requirement.

And yes, I do use the workflow that your descube receiving and sending calendar events. But Thunderbird’s design is annoying because it’s a all or nothing situation: you can’t just use it as an email client and use some other calendar application.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by bjord »

Macha wrote: post #255
bjord wrote: post #198

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Are you aware that you're in the minority?

Of email users? Or or thunderbird users? I don't think looking for a majority of email users is worthwhile, as the majority of email users are not going to use anything other than the webmail from their provider, and maybe the one built the in to their device. As for thunderbird users, I'm not so sure. It seems those who feel they'd use thunderbird if the UI was different in this thread still seem to be unsatisfied b…

This is a fair question, and you're probably right. On second thought, the average user will stick to webmail, anyway.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by orra »

nerdponx wrote: post #166
ulrikrasmussen wrote: post #133

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I like the second one better. Much better contrast and less useless whitespace. I can't see what's wrong with it but I'm also not experienced in UI/UX. Edit: Also the icons are much better in the second one. The first one has all monochrome icons which makes them much less useful for quickly scanning for the folder that you are looking for.

I think the second one lacks polish in terms of the styling of the UI components. The mockup was really pretty and its use of color and borders/outlines, while the current version seems to have heavier outlines, leading to an overall clunkier appearance. I'll run this by a couple of my UX friends to see if they can express what I'm talking about in more professional terms so I can provide coherent feedback to the Thu…

I appreciate you doing this. I'm keen on the heavier outlines and squashed message list in 115, versus the mockups which I loved. But you feeding that back professionally and constructively, etc, may be productive; it's not healthy for us or the maintainers, for us to be an angry mass of users.
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