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Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by tmikaeld »

diarrhea wrote: post #57

Putting the search bar front-and-center in both the application and this announcement, I hope the backend implementation is now able to keep up? The one use case I switch to my mail provider's webmail UI for is search. I mentally sigh a little bit each time I realise I have to search through my email. Thunderbird's search has been among the worst I have ever come across, sadly. Functional search would be a killer fea…

They can start with not hanging the UI when searching for keywords in body, I don't understand why this is so hard.

Re: Thunderbird 115

#92

Post by danpalmer »

I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul. Text is misaligned in lots of places, the icons are fuzzy, spacing and padding is inconsistent even within the same areas, there are 3 sets of 3-dot icons in the sidebar in two different axes. It's just careless.

Most users don't care about the alignment and spacing and so on in isolation, but they do get a sense of quality from the overall impact. This stuff really matters in aggregate.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by nijave »

Otek wrote: post #82
cortic wrote: post #80

Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

Still not sure why this metric is important when you can get 1tb pen drive for $100

In the U.S. Microcenter has an in-store only deal $3.50 for a 64GB USB 3.1 drive right now

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by cortic »

Otek wrote: post #82
cortic wrote: post #80

Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

Still not sure why this metric is important when you can get 1tb pen drive for $100

Sure, I'm working on a much smaller data pen. I also backup my pen drive to the cloud at 7mbps upload, 2g takes 40 minutes.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by lordofgibbons »

cortic wrote: post #80

Wonder what the hard-drive footprint this takes now, my version; 60.9.1(32-bit) takes 126MB and i consider that bloated for what it is. At the Thunderbird 60.9 release mark; Pegasus footprint was 30MB, Opera Mail was 38MB, Sylpheed was 28MB, even the Bat was only 50MB. I run Thunderbird portable from a data pen, which is why this metric is important to me (i realize it won't be for the majority of users). Edit; Okay…

I'm glad they aren't spending dev cycles trying to optimize on-disk footprint. 2TB SSD go for $100 and 4Tb go for $200. Nobody installs so many different software that the software itself, even at 200MB, could take up any significant percent of the storage.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by nijave »

smarkov wrote: post #34
nabogh wrote: post #6

I hope I can opt back into the more dense display that we currently have. Some other parts look quite nice however.

I really don't understand this. It already looks a little too clumped to me, what's the benefit to further putting things closer to one another? It's not like you're doing some kind of additive transformation and you need to quickly jump between lines, each email is its own thing and you can only read one at a time. If you need to find specific ones you can always categorize them or use the search functionality. I'm…

Apps that have too much space don't always work right when you "snap" them to 1/2 or 1/4 of the screen (sometimes the navigation components take up the entire window and the content section becomes unusably small)

Re: Thunderbird 115

#97

Post by joiqj »

PinguTS wrote: post #75
joiqj wrote: post #43

Earlier quoted context omitted.

First, I don't think they'll be able to. I have had the displeasure of using their web Outlook client and it was absurdly buggy for a software company of the stature of Microsoft. I can only imagine how terrible the web version of a complex software like Excel will be. Not to mention the poor performance. There's no way they will lose all of their finance customers like that... but, it's Microsoft, so... who knows. S…

Microsoft Outlook is already a web app at its core: "The point here being that Mail and Calendar are native Windows applications, whereas the new Outlook for Windows is essentially a web app at its core, from what we can tell." Native is dead as it seems, at least for he Microsoft Office Team. https://www.theregister.com/2023/06/20/microsoft_calendar_ma...

Someone correct me if wrong but "outlook for windows" is not the same as "office outlook". The first one seems like it was created to fill the hole of outlook express and the mail app that came out later. i.e. the free email application that windows ships with.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by tommyage »

danpalmer wrote: post #92

I can't believe how janky this still looks after a UI overhaul. Text is misaligned in lots of places, the icons are fuzzy, spacing and padding is inconsistent even within the same areas, there are 3 sets of 3-dot icons in the sidebar in two different axes. It's just careless. Most users don't care about the alignment and spacing and so on in isolation, but they do get a sense of quality from the overall impact. This…

https://www.thunderbird.net/en-US/get-involved/

Your professional input may be desired. Though I did not contribute to Thunderbird either (, yet?). Thing is, your critique may result in guidance to make part of these changes according to your skillset! But I am just a hopeless dreamer in the good of many things.

Re: Thunderbird 115

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Post by speed_spread »

nik736 wrote: post #16

What happened to the look that was announced? [0] The announcement was way more modern than the screenshot that is shown now. [0]: https://developer.thunderbird.net/planning/roadmap

I hate that "modern" nowadays equals "looks like VS code". Give me a menu and a toolbar with clearly associated keyboard shortcuts, I don't need a second dock (or even a first, i'm not on Mac). Tabletified webuis are inane for power users.
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