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Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by 29athrowaway »

macintux wrote: post #99
29athrowaway wrote: post #74

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The protestant work ethic is becoming a thing of the past. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Protestant_work_ethic The replacement now is the "hustler's work ethic", which takes away the virtues from the traditional work ethic.

Loyalty and hard work are a two-way street. Companies generally haven’t demonstrated loyalty; employees are forced to reciprocate lest they find themselves unemployed and unemployable.

Because we replaced good faith business people with the root of all societal decadence known as the "Masters of Business Administration".

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by arein3 »

lamontcg wrote: post #97
throw-way-124 wrote: post #25

I'm afraid that this is a trend that is only going to accelerate in the new remote-first world that is now the reality for software engineering. Sure, some companies mint money and will always pay a premium for top talent. But for a mature product not bringing in huge amounts of revenue, why pay someone to work remotely in the US (especially in the bay area) versus paying someone a third of that salary in Europe?

Because you fire everyone who knows how the systems work. And while Evernote sounds like a weekend project to everyone on HN, I'm certain that over the decade-plus of its existence that it has accreted a lot of technical debt and 'FIXME: we should rewrite this spaghetti' all over the codebase. You've now replaced anyone who knows how the product actually works with people who don't understand the product and aren't g…

Evernote is not rocket science. Each new onboarding presumes the developer to make himself familiar with the project.

I don't get the "they won't know how it works", a senior developer should make himself familiar pretty quickly.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by comfypotato »

beau_g wrote: post #80
shakow wrote: post #48

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Lamborghini?

Surely this supports the poster's statement - they went from the Miura and Countach to todays RGB gamer mouse mobile with a Volkswagen drivetrain - a true Shakespearean tragedy

I like the mainstream Lamborghinis today better than Countach. They’re just with the times and you like a classic Lamborghini.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by mistrial9 »

aaronbrethorst wrote: post #34
jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

Apple/NeXT

NeXT acquired Apple

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by n3m4c »

symlinkk wrote: post #92
jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

Austria-Hungary

That wasn’t really a merger, more like a renaming

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by iancmceachern »

jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

I've been through several and in my case it's 0 for 4

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by lamontcg »

arein3 wrote: post #102
lamontcg wrote: post #97

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Because you fire everyone who knows how the systems work. And while Evernote sounds like a weekend project to everyone on HN, I'm certain that over the decade-plus of its existence that it has accreted a lot of technical debt and 'FIXME: we should rewrite this spaghetti' all over the codebase. You've now replaced anyone who knows how the product actually works with people who don't understand the product and aren't g…

Evernote is not rocket science. Each new onboarding presumes the developer to make himself familiar with the project. I don't get the "they won't know how it works", a senior developer should make himself familiar pretty quickly.

> Evernote is not rocket science.

I'd bet money that if you got to see the codebase they have to work with that it is at least 10x more of a clusterfuck than you currently think it is.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by Forgeties79 »

HWR_14 wrote: post #55
Forgeties79 wrote: post #43

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YouTube’s algorithm routinely drives people to more and more extreme content and is designed to be as addictive as possible so that users don’t leave. A lot of this is the result of Google’s acquiring them. I’m curious how you think it’s better. Let me also be clear that it’s not like it was squeaky clean and friendly prior. But to say it has improved since the acquisition…I’m having a hard time seeing that.

The acquisition by Google happened 18 months into YouTubes existence. It's been 18 years since then. I don't know if you really recall what a site was like 18 years ago. Besides that, what Google provided was hosting infrastructure and legal protection. Otherwise they would have been sued into nothing and couldn't have afforded to serve video.

Honestly I did not realize that acquisition happened so early in YT’s existence. That’s on me I suppose.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by yodsanklai »

pythux wrote: post #93
oneTbrain23 wrote: post #79

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French side do weeks not days like Americans. That is why French can't compete with the rest of EU. If you think Americam boomers bad, ENTIRE France is a glorified boomers on steroid. To be fair their income tax rate is 70%. So work hard? Reagan once forgo the other half of the year of work once he max his marginal tax rate.

Income tax rate is far from 70% (not sure if this was second degree or not). Up to €10,777 = 0% From €10,778 to €27,478 = 11% From €27,479 to €78,570 = 30% From €78,571 to €168,994 = 41% More than €168,994 = 45% https://www.service-public.fr/particuliers/vosdroits/F1419?l...

You need to add "cotisations sociales" (not tax per se, social security and such), which is I believe a 22% flat tax. So that would make 67% for the last bracket. But there are other differences. For instance, if you're married or/and have kids, you can have important benefits. Also RSUs are taxed differently.

Overall, tax is high in France, but not that different from other countries. Even in the US, certain places like NYC are heavily taxed. And you also need to see what tax gives you. I don't mind to pay tax if that gives me (and everybody else living here) access to healthcare, security, education or a decent future pension. Now whether France still provide these things is up to debate.

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