There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay people in Europe to have this attitude. But for the people who actually love shipping products to people, there will always be money and they will always be in demand. The only problem is you can't find them reliably through the front door application process - you have to get lucky or build a network to find them. They're worth their weight in gold
Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
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Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#22There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
In my years as a junior dev I noticed this! The signs for me were seniors who had just aged through, but I knew more about the tech stack and problem domain or that could not just intuit a recursive function(I was flabbergasted as I watched one of them lookup how to write one).
In the years since all these devs have since moved on to management rather than more senior technical roles.
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#23There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here. This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages. We're not America's backwater for tech sourcing. We're just as capable and passionate.
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#24There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
Are you saying that those people are not living in Europe?
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#25I'm afraid that this is a trend that is only going to accelerate in the new remote-first world that is now the reality for software engineering. Sure, some companies mint money and will always pay a premium for top talent. But for a mature product not bringing in huge amounts of revenue, why pay someone to work remotely in the US (especially in the bay area) versus paying someone a third of that salary in Europe?
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#26There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
Oh the horror. Someone might work a job because they need money to eat even though they’re not deeply passionate about it.
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#27There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here. This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages. We're not America's backwater for tech sourcing. We're just as capable and passionate.
> Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here.
No, it implies that there are Americans who don't care about their work and there are Europeans who don't care about their work. But the former are far more pricey.
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#28There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
I don’t understand your critique. Are you saying that European software developers don’t have a passion for shipping products?
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#29There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…
There is also an adjacent problem, where management cares very little about features which improve things for the users. And no matter how many great engineers they have, they don’t get used on things that people would care about.
Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe
#30> significant boost in operational efficiency that will come as a consequence of centralizing operations in Europe..
What about a "significant boost in operational efficiency that would have come as a consequence of leveraging remote workers in the bay area, in the US, in Europe and elsewhere"?
It feels like Evernote has not evolve for years, and they don't want to evolve their culture either.