Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe • Hacker News Board

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by szundi » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:26 PM UTC

emptysongglass wrote: post #23

arcbyte wrote: post #21

There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…

Your comment implies European tech workers are somehow less passionate or that passionate tech workers can't be found here. This is a harmful myth that perpetuates our depressed wages. We're not America's backwater for tech sourcing. We're just as capable and passionate.

I think the comment implies the opposite

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by jackhack » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:26 PM UTC

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by soligern » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:27 PM UTC

arcbyte wrote: post #21

There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…

That’s rich coming from a continent responsible for a handful of software breakthroughs.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by aaronbrethorst » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:27 PM UTC

jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

Apple/NeXT

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by Gare » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

Airbus?

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by isykt » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

jackhack wrote: post #32

My mother was a banker. She asked a hypothetical question of me, 30 years ago, that I've never been able to answer: "Name for me one company that was better, for the customer or the employees, after a merger."

This was an acquisition, not a merger, but if we misquote your mother a bit to fit this situation: YouTube?

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by renlo » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

beardedscotsman wrote: post #28

arcbyte wrote: post #21

There's a massive population of software developers that don't care about software, don't have a passion for the problem solving, don't feel accomplishment when they ship something. They just got into the business because of the money and the hype. These people will never amount to much and will cost companies lots of opportunity cost money. It makes sense to not pay Bay Area salaries for these people and to go pay p…

I don’t understand your critique. Are you saying that European software developers don’t have a passion for shipping products?

I took it to mean: it's better to pay an EU salary than a Bay Area salary if the SWE is unenthusiastic / an average performer. i.e. "Both EU and Bay Area have SWE who will ship code. Only pay Bay Area salaries for those who go above and beyond shipping code"

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by geswit2x » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

throw-way-124 wrote: post #25

I'm afraid that this is a trend that is only going to accelerate in the new remote-first world that is now the reality for software engineering. Sure, some companies mint money and will always pay a premium for top talent. But for a mature product not bringing in huge amounts of revenue, why pay someone to work remotely in the US (especially in the bay area) versus paying someone a third of that salary in Europe?

I'm afraid that "hell for some will be heaven for others." Haven't you stopped to think that many people in Europe will be glad about this? And it will bring development to places that would otherwise be unfeasible. Why is liberalism only good when it benefits us?

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by juve1996 » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:32 PM UTC

Another product that only exists when cash is cheap and you can continually con VC. Not anymore. The underlying product simply doesn't provide enough value to justify $10!!! a month, and that's on sale.

Re: Moving the Evernote center of operations to Europe

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Post by gedy » Sun, Jul 09, 2023, 2:33 PM UTC

WinstonSmith84 wrote: post #30

> significant boost in operational efficiency that will come as a consequence of centralizing operations in Europe.. What about a "significant boost in operational efficiency that would have come as a consequence of leveraging remote workers in the bay area, in the US, in Europe and elsewhere"? It feels like Evernote has not evolve for years, and they don't want to evolve their culture either.

> It feels like Evernote has not evolve for years, and they don't want to evolve their culture either.

Not defending Evernote but I think many folks are missing that they were bought by some EU company and folks in US and LATAM were all fired by new mgmt.