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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Stats? Come on. Reddit pesters every mobile user agent to install their shitty app every time. It's like Google pushing Chrome. How many people install their malware just to stop getting nagged about it? People even say they made reddit web bad on purpose to drive people to the app. Show those users better third party apps with no ads and then ask them which they like more.

Why do you deserve to have no ads? Reddit isn't a community service. I do think that for moderators, they could have some special app to help them do their jobs easier, but for regular users, meh, the ads are easy enough to scroll past, like in other social media outfits. I also don't agree that the mobile app is shitty.

>Reddit isn't a community service.

Who do you think creates all the content? The community is all there is, and Reddit the company adds zero value other than paying for servers to host the data. They managed to create one of the worst performing and buggy websites on the internet by burning through millions of investment money. It's more pathetic than anything.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.

> I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I am older than you, and I don't agree.

Maybe. I started using in July 2005 and made an account around when comments were introduced.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Agreed. I am one of the oldest active Reddit users and I 100% agree. I have voted in many subreddits' polls for this. I mod a handful of small subs myself and have done the same. My needs are not the same as some of those large subs, so I am not continuing the blackout, but I fully support those that are. I intend to keep using old.reddit.com and never installing their mobile app instead of my 3rd party client.

> I fully support those that are. Fully supporting the blackout would mean continuing the blackout on your own subs, would it not? Just say you're "partially" supporting the blackout - like in ways that don't directly effect your direct, current use of the platform. I don't care either way, just be honest with yourself.

Hah. Fair enough. TBH I'm just kinda lazy and don't want to go and reconfigure all that crap again after doing it and then undoing it earlier this week. Those large subs have more resources at their disposable and a critical mass for disruption.

My couple thousand subscribers simply are not that effective in getting Reddit to listen, I feel like. Definitely if moderating those subs becomes actually burdensome in the future, I will reconsider.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Yeah exactly. I have issues with what social media does to people and some of what Mark has done.. but he is nowhere near my level of despise for Musk, Kanye or others in that circle.

I just want to remind you that of the three people listed only Mark took actions that exacerbated a genocide (Rohingya in Myanmar).

And Elon's lithium mines aren't similar? Or Kanye's open support of rhetoric linked to the Holocaust?

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Anarchism is to its core, like, small committees voting on stuff all day. For some reason people think of Mad Max.

Anarchism is the absence of power structure. A comittee vote is a power structure.

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Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Yeah exactly. I have issues with what social media does to people and some of what Mark has done.. but he is nowhere near my level of despise for Musk, Kanye or others in that circle.

Kanye is suffering from mental illness and was off his medication while simultaneously having millions of dollars, adoring fans, and cameras in his face 24/7/365. I think most of us would do something stupid in that situation. I don't really get why you would "despise" someone for being ill.

I doubt most of us would support exterminating people if we were sick, but who knows

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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Yeah exactly. I have issues with what social media does to people and some of what Mark has done.. but he is nowhere near my level of despise for Musk, Kanye or others in that circle.

I just want to remind you that of the three people listed only Mark took actions that exacerbated a genocide (Rohingya in Myanmar).

Musk melding on turkey elections and other countries isn’t too far off

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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If anyone is thinking they are bigger than they are it's these mods. Some of my favourite hobbies have been absolutely tainted by people who become mods of a community who put their societal/political/sexual beliefs with equal weight with the actual topic of the sub reddit. Say anything that mildly offends the mods personal beliefs? Banned. Or at the very least, find yourself limited in the role you can play in the c…

I've seen this argument a lot on here and I don't really get it. I go to specific hobby subreddits to talk about specific hobby subreddit things, not to see other people make irrelevant comments or something that might mildly offend someone else. As far as I am concerned mods are well in their rights to shut that kind of stuff down.

You have my comment backwards. Partially my own fault I'm sure. But what I'm referring to is the mods bringing their own beliefs into the community and making it part of the topic, not the other way around.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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This is the result of shamelessness seeping into business. That contrarian business thinking that does away with any pretense of putting anything other than money first. Also, this idea of charging for API access is lazy and unimaginative.

I'm surprised to keep hearing that charging for API is lazy and bad for a business. They can do whatever they want with their API and price their services as they see fit. Reddit isn't going anywhere because it's a good product for the end user. It's expensive to run and unfeathered access to their content was part of their acquisition strategy. Now they want to go public and want to be a real business. I'm with Redd…

Based on your last line, I am not surprised that you are surprised.

Users are the reason why Reddit has any value. They are the ones generating and reading the content.

Let's see how this strategy plays out.

day -1, total API requests X Bn per day, rev $0 day 0, third party apps shut down previously accounting for Y Bn requests per day, total API requests (X-Y) Bn per day, rev $0 day 1, everyone migrates to reddits garbage app. total API requests X Bn per day, rev $0

So you see, the goal is not to make money, and if you think that's the goal then I have a bridge to sell you. It's to eliminate a user's right to use a 3rd party client for the content generated by fellow users. Unless you seriously believe reddit is going to charge itself for API requests and somehow that will be a good business strategy.

Twitter did this move, and now they don't pay their rent nor their GCP bill.

So yes they can do whatever they want with their API, the same way I can do whatever I want with my body - including shooting myself in the foot.

For the contrarians that think this API change is a good idea, here's some alternative monetization strategies by chat gpt since you mentioned OpenAI:

Premium Subscriptions: Offer a "Reddit Gold Plus" or "Reddit Platinum" subscription for a monthly or yearly fee. This premium account could feature additional benefits like ad-free browsing, access to exclusive subreddits, enhanced customization options, early access to new features, etc.

Merchandise: Sell official Reddit merchandise online. This could include items like t-shirts, hats, mugs, stickers, and other items with popular subreddit logos or memes from the site.

Paid AMAs: Introduce a system where users can pay to get guaranteed questions in high-profile AMAs (Ask Me Anything sessions). This would need to be carefully moderated to avoid turning into a "pay-to-win" situation, but could provide extra value for users and extra income for Reddit.

Partnered Content: Partner with other brands for sponsored content, but ensure it's clearly marked and relevant to the Reddit community. For example, host sponsored contests or provide exclusive discounts to Reddit users from partnering brands.

Virtual Goods: Introduce a system of virtual goods that can be bought and gifted to others. This would be an extension of the existing awards system, with perhaps more tangible benefits tied to the goods.

Educational Content: Host paid educational courses or webinars on various topics. These could be in collaboration with experts from different fields who are also Reddit users.

Pro User Tools: Develop advanced analytics or other pro tools for power users, moderators, or businesses. For instance, improved post analytics, automated moderation tools, or subreddit-specific customizations.

Job Board: Create a job board where companies can pay to post job listings to the Reddit community. This can be especially targeted towards subreddits related to specific industries or fields.

Paid Polls or Surveys: Allow businesses to conduct paid surveys or polls, giving them access to the large and diverse user base of Reddit for market research.

Crowdfunding Platform: Launch an integrated crowdfunding platform where Reddit users can support other users' projects or ideas. Reddit could take a small percentage of the funding as a fee. This would also help foster a sense of community and support within the site.

And here are the risks with going for this pigheaded API monetization strategies (again by chatgpt):

Loss of User Base: Many users prefer third-party clients due to enhanced features, better user interface, or the ability to customize their browsing experience. Losing these could lead to a decline in user base and a drop in user activity.

Community Backlash: Reddit is built around its communities, many of which are very passionate about the platform. A significant change like this could lead to substantial backlash and negative sentiment from users, harming Reddit's reputation.

Innovation Stifling: Third-party clients often innovate and experiment with new features, some of which are later adopted by Reddit itself. Losing this could slow down the pace of innovation on the platform.

Monopolization of Reddit Experience: With third-party clients gone, Reddit would essentially have a monopoly on how users interact with its content. This could lead to less pressure to improve and innovate, potentially stagnating the platform's growth and user experience over time.

Potential Legal/Regulatory Consequences: Depending on the jurisdiction, such a move could potentially attract scrutiny from competition authorities or regulators, particularly if it is seen as anti-competitive behavior.

Decreased Developer Trust: Many developers, not just those directly working on third-party Reddit clients, might lose trust in Reddit. This could lead to decreased participation in any future developer-oriented initiatives by Reddit.

User Migration: Some users might migrate to alternative platforms that offer more freedom and customization, which could result in a significant loss for Reddit, both in terms of users and potential advertising revenue.

Re: Reddit is removing moderators that protest by taking their communities private

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