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The economics won't work outside some small niches. Any sort of car sharing service means a business is managing that service and charging high fees for it, in addition to passing on tax and insurance expenses to customers. The taxes and insurance on my own cars are cheap. Car sharing (short term rental) services already exist and can be a great option for childless young people who live in a dense city and seldom le…
> Car sharing (short term rental) services I would expect self driving car to have much higher utilization most of the time. In addition you have people who can't/don't want to drive and would be able to use the service. > practices or games and hope it actually shows up promptly? Effectively it would be a much cheaper (supposedly) Uber/Lyft/etc. alternative. > sports practices or games and hope it actually shows up…
Driving children to activities is hardly a "corner case". It's bizarre how disconnected many HN users are from how regular middle class Americans live. Very few married couples with children would be able to manage with one car; they often need to go different places.
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Working in the AV space, it's really frustrating how confidently people who have no idea about what's hard and what isn't go off about Tesla right now. Mercedes has soundly beaten the last decade of Tesla efforts by reaching L3. I've personally watched FSD go off the rails and into a crash situation within 60 seconds of being turned on three times this month (I have a friend who loves to try it in San Francisco) Had…
> People also don't seem to understand Mercedes has a separate L2 system that works above 45 mph that already scores better than AP by consumer reports Isn't Mercedes' L2 system non-upgradable, though? i.e. people with Merc's L2 system today won't be able to upgrade to L3+ later on, they'll need to buy a whole new car - right? I bring this up only because I bought my X in 2018 with FSD prepaid - it's 5 years old now,…
i.e. neither your 2018 model X nor a factory Model Y is anywhere close to "Full Self Driving". Remember what Musk promised in 2017: "In November or December of this year, we should be able to go all the way from a parking lot in California to a parking lot in New York with no controls touched in the entire journey."
We're in 2023. You got scammed, and you're still defending the scammer.
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I was really shocked in italy by the standard of driving. I was fully expecting full on car honking road rage in cities and uber fast driving on the motorways/highways. Florence was incredibly calm, respectful and considerate driving. The Motorways everyone was doing just under the speed limit. My italian friends said that its not the case in the north.
Apparently in Italy the speed limit is strictly enforced by automated cameras. If you go more than 5% over, you'll get a fine.
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For the ship to come back to port, someone has to want it to come back to port.
I guess you don't know anyone that makes under $50k/yr. in the US. I'm guessing you probably just associate with other high-paid techies who can't understand why commoners just can't "eat cake". Trust me: when a bus route is shut down because rich people sniffle at a 0.2% tax for something they'd be too embarrassed to use, thousands suffer. If you've never had to switch from a 30 minute bus ride to a 1hr bus ride bec…
Proposing that autonomous driving is the only way forward sounds pretty sad to me as it doesn't solve the main issue with cars: their environmental impact.
I didn't mean it would be easy to do, nor that it is decently doable to use public transportation in these cities' current state. Sorry if it came out that way.
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But we already let learner drivers try things out on the road, and their supervisors can’t even take control. Human drivers crash and make mistakes too… where is the uproar for allowing them to drive? Where as Tesla only allows fully licensed drivers and until recently only pretty good ones at that. I think you’re just regurgitating the standard anti-Tesla talking points… and avoided the questions on the fact Mercede…
> But we already let learner drivers try things out on the road, and their supervisors can’t even take control. Human drivers crash and make mistakes too… where is the uproar for allowing them to drive? Drinking water supply also gets contaminated all the time. So I assume you won’t have any issues if I start pouring my experimental medicine into your municipal water supply, right? How else can I get large scale data…
Why not try to engage with the points? Has Mercedes tested this? What evidence do you have for that? If I’m wrong on the AI training problem, how would you collect and validate data without real world feedback? (Ie as you put it “testing in prod). Do other companies do this right?
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But we already let learner drivers try things out on the road, and their supervisors can’t even take control. Human drivers crash and make mistakes too… where is the uproar for allowing them to drive? Where as Tesla only allows fully licensed drivers and until recently only pretty good ones at that. I think you’re just regurgitating the standard anti-Tesla talking points… and avoided the questions on the fact Mercede…
I don't know the US, but in Europe supervisors definitely can take control - at least for acceleration / breaking. I also think Tesla's approach is the most efficient one, however I do have a problem with their advertising, which is misleading to say the least. I think we kind of all agree it's a beta version, and they 'develop it in the open'. But it's been at least 5 years they say it's pretty much FSD - their firs…
FSD naming, nvidia call their Chauffeur, which is way more misleading to me. You have Blue Cruise which means nothing. Audi don’t call theirs anything and just talk about the features which I think is your preference. I don’t believe anyone has bought a Tesla not understanding exactly what FSD does and don’t do, are people being misled?
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They might be mislead by articles like this one: https://www.nytimes.com/2022/06/15/business/self-driving-car... Where in the first few paragraphs it gives the impression Tesla has 5:1 deaths, but later you learn that they are including simple lane keeping and cruise control in the comparison, and > None of the cars using the automated systems were involved in fatal accidents
None of the cars using the automated systems were involved in fatal accidents If you mean Tesla, that is definitely false. Mostly famously, the Bay Area crash where autopilot was conveniently disabled seconds before the car crashed into a barrier, killing the driver. In the aftermath, the driver's family, and other Tesla drivers noted that a recent update to FSD had caused a regression, whereby Teslas would swerve to…
You said that "the entire rest of the auto industry, worldwide has fewer advanced driver deaths than Tesla, despite millions more cars on the road", what are your sources for that? Do you have numbers on non-Tesla L2 cars on the road to compare?
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> Car sharing (short term rental) services I would expect self driving car to have much higher utilization most of the time. In addition you have people who can't/don't want to drive and would be able to use the service. > practices or games and hope it actually shows up promptly? Effectively it would be a much cheaper (supposedly) Uber/Lyft/etc. alternative. > sports practices or games and hope it actually shows up…
You're really missing the point. It won't actually be cheaper except for the few customers who rely mostly on public transportation. Driving children to activities is hardly a "corner case". It's bizarre how disconnected many HN users are from how regular middle class Americans live. Very few married couples with children would be able to manage with one car; they often need to go different places.
> And what if I need to evacuate the family in a natural disaster?
When I said it's a corner case but pasted the wrong sentence.
> You're really missing the point. It won't actually be cheaper except for the few customers who rely mostly on public transportation.
Am I? Why would you not expect it to become cheaper overtime? Uber/etc. needs human drivers who need to be paid and car sharing is inefficient because because most cars end up somewhere where none needs them unless there is continuous bidirectional traffic which is pretty rare. Self driving in theory would solve both these issues.
> Very few married couples with children would be able to manage with one car; they often need to go different places.
Yes well they could in theory get two separate self-driving taxis they don't have to always stay in the same car together.
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Not op but there are several groups that are independent but essentially aligned on anti-Tesla motivation that have reasons to support campaigns against Tesla: TSLAQ, union supporters, oil producers, legacy auto, to name just a few. There are more. And FUD is well known and easy enough that even individuals can practice it, so I wouldn’t read too much into that.
I can understand anti-Tesla motivation considering that Tesla doesn't act in a responsible way: they call their system "Autopilot" when it really isn't that; and they don't take responsibility in case of a crash. Both of these things should imho be illegal but somehow they get away with it.