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Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by leadingthenet »

the_gipsy wrote: post #589
mrtksn wrote: post #532

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>apart from tech folks nobody seems to care On the contrary, this is the first time that non techies are actually interested in it and debating its implications on the society. And about the price tag, a quick search tells me that %18 of the American individuals and %34 of the households are making over 100K and there are over 5 million millionaires and 770 billionaires in the USA. Even if pricey, it is within the re…

Apply these kind of comments to Facebook VR or Google Glass. Everybody is just grasping the "but it's Apple!" straw.

It's a completely valid sentiment given their track record.

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Post by pr0zac »

ZephyrBlu wrote: post #651
pmontra wrote: post #564

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> Not just this, but you couldn't see the product. In a store you can look at the product, see how it feels, try it on, test it out, etc. This is why I still buy clothes, shoes and sport gears at stores. Returning products takes time and you still don't have what you wanted to buy. If I buy a new item of the very same model I bought before, that's OK to buy online. Unfortunately companies keep changing models every y…

What brands are you buying from that change models every year??

For me (not the guy you responded to) the big thing is shoes. When I find a pair I like I’ll often buy two or three extra pairs (often online) in other colorways but when those wear out they usually aren’t made anymore or I want to try something new. Boots and shoes (especially rock climbing shoes) seem to never be consistently sized, even inside the same brand, and I need to try them on to get them to fit right. Can’t really think of anything else off the top of my head!

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by jackbrookes »

andsoitis wrote: post #77

> “By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself,” he said of Apple’s WWDC keynote earlier this week. Bullshit. There were many lifestyle video showing people moving around. That was actually worse than sitting on the sofa and being generally stylish.

The point is that Mark's vision is much more social... The most Apple showed was FaceTime but with added 3D on their avatar. There's so much missed opportunity here for true spatial social interaction that Apple avoided

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Post by symic »

ilaksh wrote: post #583
neuronic wrote: post #567

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Conversely, I "love" how other comments appear to attempt finding the best angle of attack out of pure spite. If the user were a GPT, the hidden prompt would be something like "You hate Apple and everything they stand for. Base any succeeding thoughts on this foundation and spread them as wide as possible." Being a grumpy naysayer is just as removed from reality as being an unreasonable Apple cultist. Thankfully we a…

I mean aside from the part about being implanted in brains, I believe what I said is literally true. It IS a VR and AR device. AKA mixed reality. The fact that they are promoting lots of floating 2d windows doesn't make that a new category of product. Other people have been doing that and calling it something like mixed reality. It's just that people don't know about things like the Varjo that are ultra-high end and…

Is Word ported to those other devices you mentioned? Will Netflix ever have a native app for those devices? Do they have an intuitive, easy to use interface?

I don’t think anyone is claiming that MR is new and that Apple is first to the market. People are claiming they appear to be the first to do it close enough to “right” to make it a compelling device.

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Post by squeaky-clean »

michaelnik wrote: post #611
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

Lots of it is about the execution. I went through 2 PCVR headsets and I'd never think: oh this is going to be mainstream (in the present state!). Those headsets are not comfortable (sweaty); the hardware needed for anything realistic is top tiers; it takes PhD/time to configure (and goes out of sync!); the software ecosystem was(is?) not super stable; the interaction (controllers, tracking) is sometimes awkward (cont…

I'm changing my simracing rig from VR to triple-monitors for this reason. (And also the narrow FOV). When it works it's amazing. At least I can pretend the sweaty visor is because I'm wearing a racing helmet. But every 2 weeks or so something messes up and I have to spend an hour or two resetting things and reinstalling things.

Also only a few simracing games have really good VR support.

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Post by sebzim4500 »

esun wrote: post #678
d--b wrote: post #580

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Not saying it didn't exist, but that it wasn't mainstream. Ask your mother if she's ever heard of Symbian phones...

This comment could be improved by addressing parents rather than mothers.

>Ask your parent if they've ever heard of Symbian phones

definitely wasn't an improvement

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Post by danmur »

nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

Feels a bit like 3d movies. The producers can practically taste a fresh new market, just have to get the consumers stampeding.

I don't think there's been the Avatar equivalent yet, and though it might take a bit longer, I think there will still be a tipping point where enough people realise it's garbage and Zuckerberg is thrown into a long dark well forever. Followed by the peoples' tim cook right to the stomach.

Slightly more seriously, this stuff reminds me of that book Snow Crash (which I love). But it's never going to be like that, and even if it was, the virtual world aspect of that is a bit of a horrible dystopia. It's like a drug.

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Post by adverbly »

darawk wrote: post #428
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

> So far at least, this is a tech that is being pushed onto people rather than being pulled. I think it's very hard to tell the difference between these things ex ante. Everything that succeeds looks like it was pulled. But many things were pushed before they were pulled. Buying things on the internet, for instance. This was laughed at for quite a while, while a few people and companies were committed to the idea tha…

> The promise of VR is to unlock a world free of the constraints of physics. Where physical distance prevents certain styles of communication and interaction - where physical real estate is finite and therefore rivalrous, etc. There are many things that VR, in principle, could solve...

See. You just did the exact same thing that Op is talking about. You didn't describe a single actual use case. You just talked about unlocking things or solving problems. You didn't describe any actual problems or any actual things. op's point is that enabling technologies are useless without problems that require the enablement to be solved. And no one is actually demonstrating that any of those exist.

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Post by adverbly »

danmur wrote: post #697
nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

Feels a bit like 3d movies. The producers can practically taste a fresh new market, just have to get the consumers stampeding. I don't think there's been the Avatar equivalent yet, and though it might take a bit longer, I think there will still be a tipping point where enough people realise it's garbage and Zuckerberg is thrown into a long dark well forever. Followed by the peoples' tim cook right to the stomach. Sli…

Feels a lot like 3D movies . Don't think immersion provides the value or demands the purchasing price that people think it does. I mean, people still play dwarf fortress for god's sake. Look at how popular 8-bit things are. Animated movies, games, sawtooth waveform music.

At a certain point, the real value of realism is in being able to fake it. Which is a little bit of a scary thing I guess when the wrong actors use it for for lying and misleading.

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