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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by ZephyrBlu »

pmontra wrote: post #564
crimsontech wrote: post #522

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Not just this, but you couldn't see the product. In a store you can look at the product, see how it feels, try it on, test it out, etc. Early online shopping was a big gamble with different stores having different rules. It was often a frustrating experience. Distance selling regulations helped with it a lot. I can buy a product online and if I'm not happy with it, for any reason, I can send it back for a refund. Thi…

> Not just this, but you couldn't see the product. In a store you can look at the product, see how it feels, try it on, test it out, etc. This is why I still buy clothes, shoes and sport gears at stores. Returning products takes time and you still don't have what you wanted to buy. If I buy a new item of the very same model I bought before, that's OK to buy online. Unfortunately companies keep changing models every y…

What brands are you buying from that change models every year??

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by krger »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #515
_glass wrote: post #440

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I remember the argument against tablets, I was one of them, I thought because of the weird hand/arm position, this can never be a serious format. It was pushed through several iterations, and now it is accepted.

They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).

>It was said that they would replace laptops.

By who?

The iPad introduction explicitly presented the iPad as a complementary device situated between the smartphone and the laptop.

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by [deleted] »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #640
kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage. If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust m…

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Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by zimpenfish »

pzo wrote: post #433
websap wrote: post #341

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$3500 is pretty cheap for the HW it provides. An iPhone 14 Pro Max starts at $1100 and has nowhere near the HW that this device has, let alone the economics of scale.

lots of technologies in those vision Pro are similar components as in those iphones and ipads. If you take 2 iphone 14 pro (total cost 2x$1000=$2000) you get: - 2x OLED screens - 2x lidar camera - 2x truedepth camera module - 2x4=8 RGB cameras with very high spec - 2x A15 chip - 2x accelerometer, gyroscope, magnetometer, barometer, proxmity, ambient sensors - 2x gps, wifi, bluetooth, nfc, uwb, 3g/4g/5g - 2x flash led…

> 2x OLED screens

Not quite the same ballpark, is it? iPhone 14 Pro resolution is 2556×1179 at 460ppi. Vision Pro is believed to have 3800x3000 at 3400ppi. That's almost an order of magnitude improvement in density over the iPhone screens (and 3x the density of the Quest Pro or the PSVR2.)

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Post by elorant »

nologic01 wrote: post #393

There is something quite remarkable and puzzling about the VR/AR and now SC (spatial computing) space. All major (ad)tech companies are convinced that this is a major market that will materialize and be profitable if the right combination of hardware and software is developed. Their VR "visions" differ but only at the margin. No matter how you execute it, we are talking about people (homo sapiens) putting a major som…

The “what” is some immersive experience. IMHO Zuck understood it better than Apple and tried to build that experience with the Metaverse. Although it tanked it was in principal the right choice. You have to give something more than just a spatial computer otherwise you solve no problem and offer no incentive.

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Post by mavhc »

Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #519
nologic01 wrote: post #447

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I never had the same feeling about tablets. If anything, I am still somewhat surprised that they have (in relative terms) flopped. I was really expecting much more widespread use given it is quite a sweet-spot form factor (small and lightweight to carry around to far more places than a laptop yet offering a good fraction of the laptop functionality)

In my view it's the opposite: the worst of both worlds. If I need to do work involving lots of typing, precise clicking or sitting for a long amount of time, I'd rather use a laptop (or desktop). And for less demanding stuff, the smartphone (which I'm already carrying everywhere by default) is enough. The tablet sits in an awkward middle and I don't really find much use for it.

Tablet is for playing touch based games and watching Youtube

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Post by rob74 »

spaceman_2020 wrote: post #640
kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

FB should absolutely be in panic mode. They bet everything on VR because they wanted to own an entire ecosystem and not be reliant on Google/Apple. No matter how good Oculus is, Apple will be the VR experience everyone will want to have. Apple will sell it vastly better and make it far more desirable than anything Meta can manage. If I have to strap on an invasive device to my face, what company am I going to trust m…

Yeah... Meta is now at risk of going the way of other "first movers" when Apple chose to enter their market. Companies like Rio and other makers of MP3 players before Apple came around with the iPod. Or companies like Blackberry, Nokia etc. that built smartphones long before the iPhone. Or companies like Pebble who introduced the first smartwatches. The list goes on and on...

Re: Mark Zuckerberg on Apple’s Vision Pro headset

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Post by quitit »

kumarvvr wrote: post #244

" By contrast, every demo that they showed was a person sitting on a couch by themself." Wait, I thought an Oculus does the same thing too. Its a blindfold on your face, and it doesnt matter if they are alone or in a crowd. Mark has got to be terrified. The power of Apple is the tight and efficient integration of hardware and software. Regarding battery power, I woukd not rule out versions that stream the video and o…

A lot of good points in there.

I think Apple are much better at UX and platform building than Meta, this weeks WWDC visionOS videos(1) show impressive depth in their research and thinking for all types of users of spatial-based computing.

Regardless of the differences in how these 3D platforms are approached, apple's commitment to their platforms along with iterative improvement is the secret sauce to giving 3rd parties the confidence they need to invest time and money developing apps.

On the other hand I keep hearing that enthusiasm for the Metaverse is waning amongst Meta staff, that's usually my sign to not get involved, or have all of my efforts/revenue suddenly vanquished should Zuckerberg change his mind.

On the topic of battery power: While I think that the battery power of "up to 2 hours" is not a long time in comparison to how long I use my computing devices, I also think this gen 1 device isn't really a mobile device where that matters, also we've seen apple take laptops from a few hours of charge to 20+ hours.

(1) https://developer.apple.com/videos/wwdc2023/

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Post by golergka »

pzo wrote: post #441
microtonal wrote: post #399

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It seems that they nailed the hardware. Sure, the battery life can be improved, the price can be reduced through mass production. It is now mostly a question of people will accept/like carrying a head set. I am mildly optimistic, even the initial Vision Pro won't be much more expensive than a well-spec'ed MacBook Air plus 5k display. So at least I think Vision is attractive to pro Mac users as a very portable worksta…

The only things missing for Pro users (especially Devs) are tools - ipad is useless for Software Dev as main machine. They can't force other companies to port Intellij or VSCode to iOS/iPadOS but you would expect they provided Xcode to iPad by now. Even if IDE is there then how about Python and Nodejs modules in such restricted environment. I Hope Meta will switch to Linus and Valve will stick with Linux where you ca…

You connect it to a MacBook and use IDE with a physical keyboard, while keeping browser windows with Jira and Slack open on the sides.

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Post by als0 »

krger wrote: post #652
Al-Khwarizmi wrote: post #515

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They didn't really live up to the hype, though. It was said that they would replace laptops. While they have their space in the market, sales are in a declining trend, and considerably behind laptops. (I was like you and still am, by the way... I don't find tablets comfortable. I only bought one once, and I think the number of times I actually used it can be counted with both hands).

>It was said that they would replace laptops. By who? The iPad introduction explicitly presented the iPad as a complementary device situated between the smartphone and the laptop.

That’s true. But it was also Apple who kept calling it a “post PC” device. Which at face value always sounded like it aimed to replace a PC.
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