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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by circuit10 »

hedora wrote: post #315
circuit10 wrote: post #193

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The issue is that Apple isn’t giving anyone access to the tools to pair the parts, unless you give them all the information in advance, buy them at possibly inflated prices through their self repair program if they’re even available, and then have Apple remotely approve it afterwards (and this process only really works for individuals, 3rd party repair is more important as most people don’t have the skill)

If I was running a third-party unauthorized repair shop, then I'd care. However, I just don't see why I should care, as a customer. Also, I have trouble wrapping my head around the standpoint that people want to pay the Apple "it always sort of works" tax, then spend lots of extra time trying to save $50 on a repair. When I mess around with hobby hardware, it's esoteric stuff, not readily-available laptops that are b…

Because as a customer you should have the choice to get a repair from whoever you want. Even if you only go to Apple, competition will force their prices down somewhat.

"pay the Apple"

It's not just Apple doing this

"then spend lots of extra time trying to save $50 on a repair."

What if you're trying to save precious data? Apple don't make much effort to do data recovery because they don't care; you can fund 3rd party repairers who absolutely do. What if you got the device second hand? What if it's not $50, but $1000+? I've seen a video where Apple tells a journalist they have to buy a new Mac, and a 3rd party repair shop fixes it for free because it was such a small issue that Apple didn't even check for. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=o2_SZ4tfLns

"Macs are all identical, so repairs boil down"

This is the problem; Apple is pairing parts to devices, so if you use a 100% genuine part from a new device it still won't work

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by ubermonkey »

101011 wrote: post #304
pyrox wrote: post #303

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Asahi Linux's site previously redirected any site with the Referer header set to 'news.ycombinator.com' to google.com. They did this because they believe that Hacker News' community fosters a hostile environment, and thus it was blocked. Setting `rel=noreferrer` on an `a` tag means that the browser will not submit this header, thus meaning this sort of redirect will not occur. Also(as per Marcan's Mastodon account),…

This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

A key tenet for many people appears to be that they should be able to do whatever is within their rights, but that leaves out the fact that sometimes doing something within your rights makes you an asshole.

I see the HN admins failing this moral test.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by ipython »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310
101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

I’m confused by this comment. I follow the asahi Linux developments here on hn and read the comments. In this thread alone there are several high rated posts to the effect of “this project rocks!!”

The only reference I can find to trans- anything is basically this comment. Quite honestly, I recommend a thicker skin. Some people will be assholes, whether you’re trans, straight, bi, whatever. Pretending that assholes don’t exist will just make you angry… you can’t just wish away the assholes but you can ignore them and prove them wrong by being awesome (which in this case the asahi linux developers work speaks for itself!)

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by ipython »

brohee wrote: post #300
zamadatix wrote: post #11

From a follow up post on Mastadon https://social.treehouse.systems/@AsahiLinux/110497512340479... : "Also in this update: We now have a cpuidle driver, which significantly lowers idle power consumption by enabling deep CPU sleep. You should also get better battery runtime both idle and during sleep, especially on M1 Pro/Max machines. Thanks to the cpuidle driver, s2idle now works properly, which should fix timekeepin…

Another follow up on Mastodon is about the ban evasion that HN does specifically for Asahi. https://social.treehouse.systems/@marcan/110503050993279759 I find it pretty tasteless for HN to do that.

Adding noreferer tag is “tasteless”? What’s tasteless is jwz for example silently redirecting visits from this site to goatse. This just reminds me of the clueless businesses in the early days of the web asking for “license agreements” to link to their content.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by gjm11 »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310
101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

I had a look at the comments on this post. I don't see any saying anything at all about gender, pronouns, trans-ness, etc. (Other than in this little discussion right here about what is allegedly wrong with HN.) I have showdead on, incidentally; I'm not seeing any dead comments on those topics either.

Maybe for whatever reason this particular post is better than others? I put > into DuckDuckGo. (Not because there's anything magic about DuckDuckGo search results, but to get a sample of Asahi-related HN posts without cherrypicking.) The first hit is to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35394297; no trans-related things there that I can see either. (It does have some discussion of why the Asahi Linux site was turning away people coming from HN, and the reason given there was nothing to do with "Lina", nor with transphobia, but was that marcan feels that HN discussions of Asahi are full of mistakes.)

Second hit is to https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35928000. Again, nothing trans-related.

(To look for trans-related things I (1) skim-read the comments by eye and then (2) searched for "trans", "gender", "pronoun" and "man", the last because people being obnoxious about trans issues often can't resist going out of their way to call someone a "man" or a "woman" if they think they might be upset by being called that. I specifically kept an eye out for dead comments. It's very possible that I missed things, but it seems to me that a minimum threshold for saying that there's "constant transphobia on display" is that someone explicitly and somewhat carefully looking for it should be able to find at least one example.)

Next few links aren't obviously strongly-Asahi-related articles. Next one that is is to a comment about "Lina" somewhere in the middle of https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35233479, so I took a look at the comments there. There was indeed a "Lina" subthread, some of which was pretty rude but none of it in a visibly-trans-related way.

My general impression of the HN comments on Asahi-related threads, from this, is that they are on the whole very positive, that some people think marcan is weird for Lina-related reasons (which may or may not actually make sense; I have no knowledge of that business), and that if anyone is being obnoxious at or about trans people in those threads then either they're doing it in ways I'm failing to see or else it's being cleaned up effectively enough that it's gone by the time I look.

It seems your experience is very different. Where should I be looking for some examples?

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by bapcap »

renewedrebecca wrote: post #339
troad wrote: post #326

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> This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appears to be that he can prevent other people from discussing something, for the sole reason he doesn't want it discussed. It's not a particularly defensible position in an open society. In particular, he is upset that peo…

Quit with the gaslighting. It's not about an anime avatar, and you know it. The problem is more that HN is perceived, with good reason, to be transphobic, and Asahi has several trans developers. This is also the reason why a couple of other people I won't mention don't want HN to link to their projects either, because for every link, several people will bitch in the comments about the validity of their gender and pro…

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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by flepp »

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310
101011 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

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Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by judge2020 »

mrpopo wrote: post #340
judge2020 wrote: post #336

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I know, I'm saying that it's not in the `rel=` on that article link on the linked page. Just noopener, which is of course included on every link.

It is. When I open the source, I see this: http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/eff-declares-premature-victo... " rel="noreferrer">Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit" Might be that the method is different on a specific browser, but most likely you are looking in the wrong place.

http://www.jwz.org/blog/2011/10/eff-declares-premature-victo..." rel="noopener" target="_blank">Jwz: Google's pseudonym support "obvious bullshit"

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by hedora »

circuit10 wrote: post #351
hedora wrote: post #315

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If I was running a third-party unauthorized repair shop, then I'd care. However, I just don't see why I should care, as a customer. Also, I have trouble wrapping my head around the standpoint that people want to pay the Apple "it always sort of works" tax, then spend lots of extra time trying to save $50 on a repair. When I mess around with hobby hardware, it's esoteric stuff, not readily-available laptops that are b…

Because as a customer you should have the choice to get a repair from whoever you want. Even if you only go to Apple, competition will force their prices down somewhat. "pay the Apple" It's not just Apple doing this "then spend lots of extra time trying to save $50 on a repair." What if you're trying to save precious data? Apple don't make much effort to do data recovery because they don't care; you can fund 3rd part…

> What if you're trying to save precious data? Apple don't make much effort to do data recovery because they don't care; you can fund 3rd party repairers who absolutely do

I keep backups, both in iCloud and elsewhere. Apple makes it a headache to avoid doing this, and they apparently finally added proper E2E encryption support.

I guess I think of Apple computers more like generic corporate fleet vehicles, and Linux boxes more like classic cars.

I really don’t think anyone cares if a ford dealer irreparably destroys 1% of the bottom trim white F-150s they maintain, and also forbids the people that bought the service contract from opening the hood.

None of that applies to a mustang shelby, but that’s a different part of the market.

Maybe some people really like their macs / phones, and don’t just use them like interchangeable boring tools.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by labcomputer »

thx-2718 wrote: post #28
rollcat wrote: post #9

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> I just can't justify buying hardware from a company that is so hostile to developers and hackers as nice as it may be. I don't think it's hostile, I think they're just hands-off; they throw the hardware over the fence and say, "if you wanna make use of it, here's our software; if you don't like our software, sorry no docs but you're free to write your own". Which is exactly what's happening. I mean it would be nice…

First, personally I don't care what hardware or software people use, if they are happy with the tools that they using then that's good. That said, Apple has been very hostile to hackers over the years imo. Hardware being hard to repair, access, upgrade, etc. I think at one point they were making it virtually impossible to replace components because they were serial locked. As far as I am aware, progress Apple as made…

> I think at one point they were making it virtually impossible to replace components because they were serial locked.

That seems like an obvious reaction to the fact that criminals (once they were prevented by activation lock from selling stolen iPhones) started parting out stolen iPhones and selling the parts to repair shops.

I think a better approach would be for Apple to only block the replacement part if that part has a serial associated with an activation-locked phone, but I'm sure it's easier to just block everything except for the replacements shipped directly from Apple.

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