OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux • Hacker News Board

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by hedora » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 4:29 PM UTC

microtonal wrote: post #288

acomjean wrote: post #146

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Its a system76 pangolin (2022) >Whenever I look for an AMD laptop, it has a low resolution (1080p) display, and/or an off-center keyboard/trackpad (or has some other obvious fatal flaw). yup it has both of those. But the screen is only15", and I'm old so it doesn't matter. It not glossy which I really like though. If you love the mac hardware, give Asahi a try. My understanding its the best linux for the M-series mac…

It's interesting how different tolerances are. I couldn't even stand 1080p on 13.3". And then it needed some fractional scaling factor. Wayland apps worked ok with that scaling (though rendering was perceivably jankier), but some X11 apps would just be blurry. At the time there was no solution for there apps and looking at an extremely blurry CLion all day is no fun. The only solution was to run the whole desktop env…

I don't understand how scaling is so broken. I switched my Linux desktop environment to a high DPI monitor in 2001 (it was a Sony CRT). Stuff like font and bitmap rendering looked better then than it does now.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by judge2020 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 4:34 PM UTC

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310

101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

It seems HN's philosophy is like that of (early) Reddit, where the commenters self-govern and down/flag comments like that - and it seems to be working if they're all dead, right? They're hidden unless you have an account and specifically enable showdead.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by troad » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 4:51 PM UTC

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310

101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

> there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site

Could you be so kind as to link me to an example?

People have discussed Marcan's anime alter ego, certainly, but I've never seen anything transphobic in the slightest. Maybe it's all flagged before I get to see it, but I honestly can't figure out what you might even be referring to. I enjoy reading Asahi updates when they come up, so I am unsure how I could be missing something so 'constant'.

> It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

As a 'queer person' myself, I find that statement utterly ludicrous and I reject it completely.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by MBCook » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

dtornabene wrote: post #313

mrpopo wrote: post #299

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Looks like jwz links also have a "noreferrer" tag added as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3132752 New silent HN policy to avoid showing its users that some people don't like them.

This is extremely gross 'Dang, and I'm wondering how you can possibly defend doing this. Seriously, why are you going to these lengths to evade a soft-block on links to specific sites that very clearly and explicitly are communicating that they don't want HN's traffic?

Can’t agree more. Disgusting.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by Wowfunhappy » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 4:52 PM UTC

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310

101011 wrote: post #304

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

> Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween.

But that's why they're dead. Turn off "showdead" if you don't want to see them.

The ones that aren't dead, I would assume the moderators haven't seen yet and/or haven't received enough flags yet. Moderation is hard.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by troad » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 5:07 PM UTC

101011 wrote: post #304

pyrox wrote: post #303

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Asahi Linux's site previously redirected any site with the Referer header set to 'news.ycombinator.com' to google.com. They did this because they believe that Hacker News' community fosters a hostile environment, and thus it was blocked. Setting `rel=noreferrer` on an `a` tag means that the browser will not submit this header, thus meaning this sort of redirect will not occur. Also(as per Marcan's Mastodon account),…

This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

> This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to.

It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appears to be that he can prevent other people from discussing something, for the sole reason he doesn't want it discussed. It's not a particularly defensible position in an open society.

In particular, he is upset that people on Hacker News tend to point out that a contributor on Asahi - Lina - appears to be a computer-generated anime alter ego of Marcan himself.

Me, I have absolutely no problem with Marcan having an anime alter ego, but I don't think it's entirely reasonable to expect people to refrain from noticing this and remarking on it. Marcan disagrees, and this is the source of the HN-Marcan rift.

(As I've remarked before, I do mind OSS projects listing fake contributors, for both ethical and legal reasons, but that's another discussion.)

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by pbasista » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 5:23 PM UTC

judge2020 wrote: post #309

mrpopo wrote: post #299

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Looks like jwz links also have a "noreferrer" tag added as well. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=3132752 New silent HN policy to avoid showing its users that some people don't like them.

That page doesn't include noreferrer on the article link for me.

"rel" is an attribute of several HTML tags, including the anchor tag [0]. It is not something that would be visible in the URL.

The presence of this attribute instructs the client to not send the HTTP header "Referer" [1] when making a request to the target URL.

[0] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTML/Attributes... [1] https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/HTTP/Headers/Re...

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by yjftsjthsd-h » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 5:24 PM UTC

nsonha wrote: post #261

yjftsjthsd-h wrote: post #220

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Any? https://wiki.postmarketos.org/wiki/Lenovo_IdeaPad_Flex_3_Chr... is dirt cheap and runs PMOS quite well. Actually Chromebooks in general are a good bet when combined with PMOS - or even not combined with PMOS, if you can work with a normal Linux VM on top of ChromeOS.

well obviously not a machine with 4GB of RAM running outdated CPU

You said "ANY arm processor". If you'd like to further constrain the exact requirements, that would be a useful clarification. (Although, I suspect that some Chromebook will still work)

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by _cenw » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 5:31 PM UTC

troad wrote: post #326

101011 wrote: post #304

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This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. For one, I don't believe this place fosters a hostile environment, although it's definitely a place where people love to tell you how you're technically wrong about something. For another, I would guess that there are a very limited number of websites that would opt into this sort of anti-traffic behavior. Hacker news could certainly choos…

> This raises interesting moral questions that I'm not sure I have an answer to. It's not really all that much of a moral conundrum. Marcan's belief - expressed a number of times on his Mastodon - appears to be that he can prevent other people from discussing something, for the sole reason he doesn't want it discussed. It's not a particularly defensible position in an open society. In particular, he is upset that peo…

You are misunderstanding. You can discuss your conspiracies anywhere you want, just not on a post pointing to the people that have to deal with the fallout of your unfounded conjecture.

Also assuming there is a "fake contributor", who cares under which names contributions are split up? The work still got one. Also, it is absolutely not your project, you don't get to demand people show their ID when they write code for a project.

Re: OpenGL 3.1 on Asahi Linux

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Post by _cenw » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 5:39 PM UTC

troad wrote: post #323

sussmannbaka wrote: post #310

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there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site. Every single article that gets to the frontpage will have dozens of vile posts in the deads and a couple sprinkled inbetween. I’m not sure if HN staff doesn’t care about it, agrees with them or simply isn’t aware. It’s not limited to the Asahi project, either. The site isn’t safe for queer folks.

> there is constant transphobia against Asahi contributors on display on this site Could you be so kind as to link me to an example? People have discussed Marcan's anime alter ego, certainly, but I've never seen anything transphobic in the slightest. Maybe it's all flagged before I get to see it, but I honestly can't figure out what you might even be referring to. I enjoy reading Asahi updates when they come up, so I…

> People have discussed Marcan's anime alter ego

This is pure and poor conjecture, just like the rumor (originating on chan boards and KF) that a person close to marcan had faked suicide. Exactly this sort of rumor mill is what is wrong with HN linking to Asahi developers.

> As a 'queer person' myself, I find that statement utterly ludicrous and I reject it completely.

Are you a cis gay? I remember a few cases where people reached out to have information redacted to dang and it took weeks. While the people mentioned above were digging into private lives. This site absolutely requires you to shut the fuck up about your own life if you are at risk of being turned into a "lolcow" or pedojacked or whatever else these people will come up with. I understand that's not a consideration yet for 'queer people' currently not conscripted to the front of the culture war.