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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thworp » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:42 PM UTC

eek2121 wrote: post #387

tialaramex wrote: post #348

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Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

I don't know what you've seen, but the 3 video released a few years are mostly parallax, optical phenomenon (the "tic tac") and sensors trying and failing to track tiny objects (birds, balloons and similar) at distances of a few kilometres.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by xpe » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:43 PM UTC

xpe wrote: post #538

gitfan86 wrote: post #513

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Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

It seems likely to me that “seeing things” is consistent with the predictive processing model from cognitive neuroscience. To summarize: the retina error-corrects a simulation provided from the cortex. Let’s say some visual details are fuzzy. With a strong enough Bayesian prior (e.g. belief in UFOs), the human perceptual apparatus could subjectively see things that look like UFOs. Mind bending, but this seems to me a…

> I often detect motion in my peripheral vision without much detail. Maybe once a year (or less), I see weird things that seem implausible, but only for brief instant. When I look, there is nothing unusual.

I want to elaborate on one personal experience I alluded to above. I am curious if others have experienced anything similar.

While driving at about 20 mph across some train tracks, I noticed in my left peripheral vision a parked vehicle with its rear door open. For a tiny instant, I perceived it roughly like dirt was “flowing out” of the car. When I looked more closely — and again, this happened in a fraction of a second — it was clear that a dog, probably a golden retriever, was jumping out.

So my first fleeting perceptual experience got the motion roughly correct (movement out of a back seat onto the ground) and color (light brown) correct. It got the object wrong.

From what I can tell, this is a consistent subjective experience with the predictive processing model. It seems to me if one did not subscribe to the predictive processing model, one would expect the brain to only register a vague blur.

I think it is also worth mentioning that in the days leading up to that experience I had a DIY project where I dug a deep hole, and I put a bucket in the bottom which I filled before lifting it out and dumping it. (This was more efficient than doing one shovel load at a time.) This digging was not an expedient process which could have led my brain to spend energy processing better ways to do it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by reportgunner » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:44 PM UTC

Sharlin wrote: post #285

paulddraper wrote: post #255

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> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.

Absence of evidence absolutely is evidence of absence. Like the absence of evidence of an invisible dragon in your garage.

Where's the evidence that you are correct though ?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by thworp » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:45 PM UTC

Loquebantur wrote: post #842

mrandish wrote: post #536

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> I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets collected. Here you go: https://www.youtube.com/c/mickwest . Mick has thoroughly investigated the most cited videos and shows them to be of entirely terrestrial origin - often atmospheric effects combined with optical lens, digital stabilization and thermal imaging artifacts. He even cites the technical documentation for the military camera equipmen…

So you're telling me, some random game developer was more competent than the US military guys who literally are hired for such analysis? I suppose, having coded some "parallax effect" is sufficient in your book?

Yes he is. Have you ever interacted with the military or other public org in a technical capacity?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by belter » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:46 PM UTC

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I am calling it as 90% probability non true based one of the two techniques you can use to validate these type of claims. My claim uses Method B

Method A: Extensive analysis if this is a first account of facts or hearsay (here is the latest anyway). Extensive analysis of evidence, specially with metadata correlation between evidence arriving from different sources and timelines.

Method B: Analysis of instinctive and immediate body language reactions to focused questions.

"How many?" -> . https://twitter.com/i/status/1665832644230402048 The instinctive eye reaction to this question gives it away...

"How to Tell If Someone Is Lying to You, According to Body Language Experts" - https://time.com/5443204/signs-lying-body-language-experts/

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ricktdotorg » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:47 PM UTC

neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

BTW what the heck is a "generational officer"? is that just another way of saying he's from a "military family"?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ElMocambo_x4 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:50 PM UTC

scotty79 wrote: post #821

eek2121 wrote: post #387

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I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

> The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. Those videos show no such thing. All the stuff about outmanoeuvring is a fantastic narration. Videos show only dots which can be (and were) explained as a bird from above, plane from behind and glitchy camera mount with a bit of optical artifacts on top. Which is infinitely more plausible than aliens from anot…

The USAF and the Pentagon themselves released those videos, labeling those recording as "unexplainable".

Let me point them, and the fighter jet pilots, to "Scotty79-from-the-internet", so that they can all understand that what they all saw or recorded were in fact birds. :p

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mclightning » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:51 PM UTC

baja_blast wrote: post #311

FredPret wrote: post #117

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I read somewhere that all of our radio signature would fade away to the point that it's indistinguishable from background noise within five lightyears. Plus, we've been around for ages and only briefly let out a bunch of radio waves. I image we might not even generate that many anymore. By that logic, you could easily image that the universe is teeming with intelligent life that happens to not have sent a powerful ra…

Yep radio waves degradation is due to the inverse square law. The strength of the signal is determined by the inverse of the distance squared. So the drop off is pretty extreme.

I used to be greatly tempted by the fermi paradox, but upon learning about limitations we have observing the skies.... I believe the entire fermi paradox talk, is just steeming from the fact that we think too highly of ourselves as a civilisation and the efford we put into observing the skies.

Most people, including myself until recently, don't realise that most of our astrophysics/space science is very limited to our immediate close promixity in the cosmological scale.

Correct me if I am wrong but we are only able to do science around the other stars in the Milky way (e.g. exoplanet observations)

Beyond Milky way, all the light from the stars are collapsed into a single blob along with the rests of the stars in their home galaxy.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by ElMocambo_x4 » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 2:53 PM UTC

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

It's funny to see how far into the absurd people are ready to go in order to discard UFO recordings. Sure, live space travel across light-years sounds crazy. But what you are ready to come up with in order to tell us that army radars, USAF pilots, etc, are all delirious, like giant "psyops".... is even crazier.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by SauciestGNU » Wed, Jun 07, 2023, 3:01 PM UTC

BobbyJo wrote: post #832

soerxpso wrote: post #826

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From what the commenter you're replying to said, it sounds like the guy was shown deeper evidence than just a joke. The tendency to assume that conspiracies don't ever happen is just as fallacious as the tendency to assume that they always do. In the particular case, the coverup would not be challenging (only a handful of people would be aware that it's "fake"), there would be motive (convincing China, Russia, etc. t…

Also, he was in a position such that people would have confided such evidence to him. We're not talking about an Apache mechanic overhearing random conversations. He was on the team investigating UAPs for the gov, and people came to him with evidence regarding UAPs.

I also read he was a GS-15 (civilian equivalent to a colonel). Not just anyone ends up at that level. Colonels in the military command large units, think "senior director" level in industry.

I believe this guy is probably acting out of a duty to root out what he believes is unlawful behavior (hiding activities from Congress). I don't believe the ET claims personally.