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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by gsatic »

neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

The Pentagon is full of self important buffoons.

Could be generic crap from crash sites of test drones, aircrafts, missiles, satellites etc if its secret stuff are ppl going to inform everyone on the planet?

Just never ending mindlessness thanks to the Attention Economy giving morons too much attention.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by BobbyJo »

soerxpso wrote: post #826
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

From what the commenter you're replying to said, it sounds like the guy was shown deeper evidence than just a joke. The tendency to assume that conspiracies don't ever happen is just as fallacious as the tendency to assume that they always do. In the particular case, the coverup would not be challenging (only a handful of people would be aware that it's "fake"), there would be motive (convincing China, Russia, etc. t…

Also, he was in a position such that people would have confided such evidence to him.

We're not talking about an Apache mechanic overhearing random conversations. He was on the team investigating UAPs for the gov, and people came to him with evidence regarding UAPs.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by [deleted] »

0xEF wrote: post #828
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I'll agree that this smells of psyop, but for what purpose? What is attention being pulled away from? Speculate away, I'm interested in what this community has to say.

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #773
King-Aaron wrote: post #393

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents Wasn't he in charge of or in the higher end of the government led agency to investigate these things? He doesn't seem to be a nobody just saying he saw things, it was his job to investigate it for the government? And if…

However, one thing that every government employee knows is that they can't arrest you for fictional stories. In contrast, if you're saying the truth, then you're facing decades in prison. So what are you going to do if you need to make some money with books and talks, etc. Tell the truth or lie?

>However, one thing that every government employee knows is that they can't arrest you for fictional stories.

They certainly can arrest you for fictional stories told under oath and in sworn statements (which is what this whistleblower gave).

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by BobbyJo »

klik99 wrote: post #477
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

The idea that this Grusch guy just doesn't get jokes and brought some offhand comment all the way to whistleblower status is pretty funny. Honestly this guy seems pretty competent and I'd sooner believe a psyop or Meta paying someone off to throw off press coverage during the Apple event than that. A couple of offhand remarks wouldn't drive someone this far.

Yeah, the number of people that seem ignorant of the circumstances here is astounding. He's given classified briefings to Congress on a subject matter he was tasked with investigating (UAPs). The fact that people seem so quick to dismiss that as "some people joked and he didn't get it" is kind of wild. That would require a "Weekend at Bernie's" level of ignorance at more official levels than I'd be willing to entertain of the bat.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by StanislavPetrov »

misja111 wrote: post #728
twobitshifter wrote: post #439

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Could have been intentional and likely unmanned

Sure, they sent a spaceship that had to travel many lightyears to reach us, then intentionally let it crash.

Or maybe they sent out billions of self-replicating probes that have no value except in the data they transmit, so they don't care if they crash.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Loquebantur »

gsatic wrote: post #831
neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

The Pentagon is full of self important buffoons. Could be generic crap from crash sites of test drones, aircrafts, missiles, satellites etc if its secret stuff are ppl going to inform everyone on the planet? Just never ending mindlessness thanks to the Attention Economy giving morons too much attention.

Why do you imagine yourself more competent than those "buffoons" who work in the Pentagon?

You believe they see some crap, jump to the conclusion it was "alien spaceships" and go on record declaring to have "working craft"?

I wonder who is who here.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by Geee »

I'm pretty sure this is related to those balloons they shot down. They we're UAPs officially. They're too embarrassed to admit that they we're just hobbyist balloons, and thus they want to keep it under wraps. Meanwhile, someone extrapolates it into alien spacecraft.

On the other hand, I think that it's in the realm of possibilities that there are some AI-controlled Von Neumann probes on Earth, sleeping in the bottom of the ocean, and checking on us from time to time. It's not unlikely that there's a point in time where they think we're ready to know the truth and they reveal themselves and their knowledge.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stef25 »

13of40 wrote: post #746
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

Just to stay grounded in reality, yes there is intelligent non-human life in space. No, based on what we know about physics, we will never interact with them. Occam's Razor says the GP is correct and this is intentional deception - either that or the guy with the big shirt who says we have alien spacecraft in warehouses is a nut.

> based on what we know about physics, we will never interact with them

It's probably too an obvious question to ask but seeing how knowledge is continually expanded can that claim really be made with known unknowns and unknown unknows and all that? Or are we really at the edge of all knowledge of astro/physics?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by cassepipe »

gitfan86 wrote: post #513
dieselgate wrote: post #358

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I say this from an angle of religious tolerance but some people actually “believe in angels” etc, people will believe whatever they want

Angels, ghosts, UFOs, miracles all have the same characteristics. A person who seems very reasonable says they are sure that saw the thing, and they provide SOME circumstantial or grainy photographic evidence, but no one actually got a full resolution picture of the angel or ghost or UFO. I doubt these people are lying. They actually saw something. Miracles are the easiest example to explain. Someone couldn't walk an…

Tangential, but we tend to bring up the placebo effect pretty quickly in medical discussions about what works and doesn't but actually a lot of what people say is the result of placebo is just not even placebo but "natural" resorption, that is your body doing the work. Placebo is measurable, it's whether taking a "fake" cure is better than "natural" resorption. For some affections, the effect is surprisingly important for others quite negligible.
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