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We need to stop using the term “conspiracy” alone. Instead a conspiracy probability should be associated with every such theory. As a strawman, a conspiracy which requires 10K people or more to pull it off gets assigned 0.0, while a single person conspiracy is assigned 1.0. So anytime someone tells you about a conspiracy theory, ask them to estimate the conspiracy factor. Examples of high conspiracy factor theory’s w…

> a single person conspiracy is assigned 1.0 By definition a conspiracy involves more than one person.

I'd argue that a 'conspiracy factor' of 1 is not a conspiracy, just like a road with an occupancy factor of 0 doesn't have any cars on it, and I presume this was exactly the point of the GP.

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I had an encounter with a UAP while I was with some friends in a park. We all saw the same thing. It was so black that its darkness was the only reason we noticed it against the night sky. It loomed over us, maybe 100 feet above the ground, and followed us when we walked away from it. It stayed for about 10 minutes and then flew away. It never made a sound, I never saw any lights, never felt any heat, but it was able…

wow.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents Wasn't he in charge of or in the higher end of the government led agency to investigate these things? He doesn't seem to be a nobody just saying he saw things, it was his job to investigate it for the government? And if…

However, one thing that every government employee knows is that they can't arrest you for fictional stories. In contrast, if you're saying the truth, then you're facing decades in prison. So what are you going to do if you need to make some money with books and talks, etc. Tell the truth or lie?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

A1: Man, that Jekins is so gullible, he'll believe anything. Wanna help wind him up some for the lols? A2: Lol yeah, you're right. I'm in, that sounds like fun. A1: Okay so I told him that we've got some alien spacecraft in the broom closet under a project named meatball. I'm pretty sure he believes me, but if you tell him the same thing, I bet he'll really go nuts! A2: Ahahaha awesome. Okay I'll take him aside next…

Well, A1 and A2 are clearly conspiring, co-ordinating their activities. So some of his claims, even if you _don't_ believe them, point towards coordinated activities.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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If people in the DoD at that level exhibited such a degree of incompetence, wouldn't you want to find out before it's too late?

> If people in the DoD at that level exhibited such a degree of incompetence It is not incompetence - it is orthogonal. I worked with an excellent software engineer who was rather smart - way above average. However, he believed in "Overunity energy" and paid actual money to attend conferences and buy the books. Some folks are predeposed to believing conspiracies and seeing order where there's chaos.

Conspiracy theorists (important: multiple) often have one or more of the following attributes which is why you see a wide range of intelligence in the group.

1. People with mental illness.

2. People with low intelligence who are unable/don't understand logic, the scientific method, and concepts like ecree, They are easily fooled by others. They may also have a bias like hating or mistrusting the government.

3. People who are insecure. Being a conspiracy theorist makes you feel smarter than other people as you are part of a select group of who know the truth. The masses are stupid or as they say now "asleep" but you've figured it all out via Google.

This is why much of their talk is less about how they can prove their claims and more about the people who don't believe. They refer to them as "sheep" or "not awake. The focus for them is that they are right which may help with their insecurities.

4. People who don't feel they have a purpose in life and are looking for a meaning. Want to be a part of a group that is bound by something important and there's almost no effort to join? Bam, now your job is to get that information out there and covert the masses, a goal that will never be finished and thankfully take up your entire life.

5. People who were originally lured in because of the other reasons and no longer believe. Because they made it their life, maybe spent excess money, wrote books or made absolute claims they don't want to look stupid so they never admit their change. This is especially an issue on the internet where the whole world can fest on your failure.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

It's hilarious watching how HN upvotes insane theory instead of crazy theory. Wild times! There is a very very simple explanation, which is that everything he says is true. There is a secret program, they did reverse engineer, they did withhold it from congress, and people did tell him that there is alien stuff. Why make up silly make believe? The guy isn't claiming 'oh i saw aliens'. He could simply be telling the a…

There is a far simpler and more plausible explanation: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=36221917

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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>but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? This is the tragic sentence which is letting the parade of carnival animals in through the back door. In some sense it's true that intellectual humility is necessary as we allow ourselves to be challenged by ideas we thought not possible. But it's true the way hallmark card quotes are true, as vague generalities. It does no work as a specific response to…

If the problem is not outside the bounds of known physics, then it should be considered plausible. Otherwise, it is certainly not impossible, but pointless to speculate. If you enjoy speculating about such things, fill your boots, but realize that you are only doing it for your own amusement.

I would argue that play is a highly valuable intellectual activity. Speculating for one’s amusement falls into that category and is therefore not worthless. A lot of great ideas come from playing around with strange ideas that aren’t obviously useful.

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Yes, it is news because subject matter is still relevant as before and CIA want people forget about this and instead think about UFOs.

If I hadn’t seen this post about UFOs and clicked on the comments I wouldn’t have read about this anniversary at all.

That is exactly his point, isn't it?

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with coldsleep technology, or a species evolved or self-engineered for ultralongterm hibernation, speed might not matter.

Machines would be more likely than anything biological in any case. Not implying this is what we have here, just a general observation. It's weird people believe space travel requires pilots.

> Machines would be more likely than anything biological in any case.

Counterpoint: biology is a machine in itself.

Our machines of metal and microchips are incredibly primitive compared to where they'll be in 100, 500, 1000, 10K+ years from now - and when a machine has the ability to to self-replicate, have autonomy, and to protect itself from microscopic threats, then it sure looks a lot like life-as-we-know it.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Let’s suppose that aliens where able to travel from distant galaxy to earth.

Let’s suppose that they didn’t travel to dispose of resources abundant on earth (in which case it seems obvious that they would most likely already ostensibly or furtively dominating the world with their advanced technologies). For example, instead they want to make tourism in invisibility-intangibility suits: "look my darling, how quaint this planet is!".

I very strongly doubt any group of human could catch an alien vehicle of such an advanced civilization.

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