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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by themoonisachees »

whiddershins wrote: post #384
arcticbull wrote: post #183

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> US is the only one winning Civilization Earth. Depends what you mean by winning. Other countries have different priorities, for instance the health and welfare of the population over individual wealth. That doesn't make one right or wrong, but it really this reflects on your priorities more than anything else. And that's ok! I'm just saying it's subjective, not objective, and there's no reason to believe that some…

Show me some evidence for how other countries have produced greater wealth for “the group” than the “selfish US.”

Wealth inequality in the US today is worse than France right before the revolution. The US is a great country to go to if you're already rich.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by evantbyrne »

coffeefirst wrote: post #379
zoogeny wrote: post #332

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> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

Or his colleagues are messing with him. But believing the US has a classified alien spaceship that was recovered in-tact is way more fun so let's go with that.

It being so fun is reason enough not to believe it. When is the last time something this exciting ended up being true?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents

Wasn't he in charge of or in the higher end of the government led agency to investigate these things? He doesn't seem to be a nobody just saying he saw things, it was his job to investigate it for the government?

And if the Inspector General is involved, along with the dudes lengthy time in front of congress, surely it's likely that evidence was presented to higher levels of government that the public still can't see legally. I get that this may be a psyop kind of thing, but writing it off as 'he didn't see anything' seems like an incorrect position to hold.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

evantbyrne wrote: post #392
coffeefirst wrote: post #379

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Or his colleagues are messing with him. But believing the US has a classified alien spaceship that was recovered in-tact is way more fun so let's go with that.

It being so fun is reason enough not to believe it. When is the last time something this exciting ended up being true?

Well we all suspected the government spied on us and then Snowden brought it to light. That was pretty fun.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by crispyambulance »

api wrote: post #256
fnordsensei wrote: post #189

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To what end?

Some speculations: To spook enemies of the US and create a mystical aura of superiority around the US military and its capabilities. They're literally creating the impression that the US military has technology beyond the "Clarke threshold." (The Clarke threshold refers to Arthur C. Clarke's maxim that "any sufficiently advanced technology is indistinguishable from magic.") To shake out moles, spies, and unreliable p…

All I can say is that IF there ever is an irrefutable visitation from an alien civilization in the future, it will be shit-show that will never end.

I have zero confidence that any government or their populace will be able to handle that realization without going completely bonkers. We simply can't handle it as a civilization. For every sane person who is curious and wants to interact positively with the artifact/being there will be a dozen different types of maniacs out to destroy whatever it is.

And if you believe that governments reflect the neurosis of their people, it fundamentally impossible for any government to deal with something like this rationally.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

Loquebantur wrote: post #359
bragr wrote: post #208

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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

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Perhaps people simply aren't prepared to accept the implications of the government lying about this - as well as successfully covering it up - for so long. It's a big impact to a persons world view.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by King-Aaron »

monetus wrote: post #351
heavyset_go wrote: post #235

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> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding th…

I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

Didn't he start seeing ghosts or some such and started a spiritual ritual camp thing in the desert?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by mr_toad »

Sharlin wrote: post #274
adventured wrote: post #170

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It's exceptionally likely Trump was kept away from as much intel as they could reasonably keep him from. We know that from things that leaked out after the fact, eg by how General Milley behaved (gave orders to disobey nuclear launch commands coming from Trump).

From what I’ve heard, it’s not like he was even interested in the intel he was supposed to be interested in.

If Trump knew there were Aliens there’s no way he could have kept himself from blabbing all over Twitter.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by glenstein »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

>All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop.

Ugh, I was 100% with you until this point. This is speculative, fantastical, and I think serves to discredit the sober and calm pushback of the type exhibited in the first half of your comment. And that is desperately needed in a moment like this.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by monetus »

JKCalhoun wrote: post #371
monetus wrote: post #351

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I have a family member who won't stop consuming everything about Steven Greer on youtube, and I don't know what to do about it. It is driving me crazy and I just have to tell someone, sorry.

My sense is that you could remove Steven Greer and it would be something else? Sorry I have a rather pessimistic take.

JFK conspiracy theory content is second to the "antigravity technology stolen from aliens" on her list, so you're not wrong, but Steven Greer has the same reach as those fricken JFK conventions. He'll never go away...
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