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US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by scotty79 »

eek2121 wrote: post #387
tialaramex wrote: post #348

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Also people who don't understand what is or is not possible easily get confused about what is impossible / difficult versus possible / easy. My guess is that a substantial fraction of otherwise competent American adults don't realise VTOL jet aircraft are a thing we can and have built for example, and that if one of them saw a prototype like the Flying Bedstead (Rolls Royce experimental platform, which doesn't look a…

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

> The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets.

Those videos show no such thing. All the stuff about outmanoeuvring is a fantastic narration.

Videos show only dots which can be (and were) explained as a bird from above, plane from behind and glitchy camera mount with a bit of optical artifacts on top. Which is infinitely more plausible than aliens from another star or another dimension.

> but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not?

I feel like learning physics increased my ability to tell possible from impossible things tremendously. Second factor is learning as much as you can about scams and liers.

With those two foundations you should have a solid capacity to appreciate reality

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by denton-scratch »

King-Aaron wrote: post #393
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents Wasn't he in charge of or in the higher end of the government led agency to investigate these things? He doesn't seem to be a nobody just saying he saw things, it was his job to investigate it for the government? And if…

> but writing it off as 'he didn't see anything' seems like an incorrect position to hold.

Why incorrect? He specifically says he didn't see anything.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by atentaten »

neom wrote: post #810

Isn't the whistle blower stuff considerably less interesting than this: But some insiders are now willing to take the risk of coming forward for the first time with knowledge of these recovery programs. Jonathan Grey is a generational officer of the United States Intelligence Community with a Top-Secret Clearance who currently works for the National Air and Space Intelligence Center (NASIC), where the analysis of UAP…

Yes, that along with the last sentence. It sounds like what you are ‘supposed’ to say when this type of revelation is made because we’ve heard it many times before in movies and books over the decades.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by 9dev »

elboru wrote: post #487
no_wizard wrote: post #434

Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…

If you are curious about how Christianity in particular would need to react you could read CS Lewis’ essay “Religion and Rocketry”. We Christians would need to answer these questions: 1. Are there animals anywhere else besides earth? 2. If yes, do any of these animals have what we call ‘rational souls’? That is, are they spiritual beings? 3. If there are such spiritual beings, are any or all of them, like us, fallen?…

I never got why the interpretation of „world“ christians choose is so narrow; why can’t it describe the galaxy, or universe? What if the genesis revolves around beings on other planets as parts of the same world?

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by stef25 »

zoogeny wrote: post #332
bragr wrote: post #208

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…

> he claims that an intelligence official

One guy claims, might as well stop there.

I'm on the side of wanting to believe, it's just important to stay skeptical because if it were all true it would probably be one of the most important things to happen to humanity. We're not alone after all.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by soerxpso »

bragr wrote: post #208
zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.

From what the commenter you're replying to said, it sounds like the guy was shown deeper evidence than just a joke. The tendency to assume that conspiracies don't ever happen is just as fallacious as the tendency to assume that they always do.

In the particular case, the coverup would not be challenging (only a handful of people would be aware that it's "fake"), there would be motive (convincing China, Russia, etc. that new aircraft we experiment with might actually be extraterrestrial + convincing them to chase ghosts + generally messing with them), and there would be means (the theory that previous-commenter just expressed, where agents selected from psych test results and shown fake classified information). Not to mention US Intelligence's recorded history of doing some very outlandish and "conspiratorial" things.

Of course, no theory in particular (conspiracy or "grounded") is going to be anything more than speculation given limited the level of evidence that's actually on the table.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by wil421 »

black6 wrote: post #68
clashmoore wrote: post #63

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Are the Navy pilots actual eye witnesses to seeing these crafts or are they eye witnesses to whatever is electronically displayed to their HUDS/Helmets/lenses? It seems every video I've come across, it was all electronic so it has me thinking just a software error.

Every video I've seen, too, has been from some sort of electronic sensor. The US Navy was working on Project NEMESIS at least as far back as 2019, which sought to (and likely did) develop the means to spoof electronic signatures.

They’ve had “drones” (more like gliders) since the gulf war that can fake electronic signatures of different planes. They worked well and were targeted by Iraqi defenses.

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Post by 0xEF »

zoogeny wrote: post #166

I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…

I'll agree that this smells of psyop, but for what purpose? What is attention being pulled away from?

Speculate away, I'm interested in what this community has to say.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by fsflover »

nprateem wrote: post #678
sibeliuss wrote: post #168

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> but as I attempt to learn more and more about physics, travel approaching the speed of light, the mechanics that transformed us from a basic life form to a life form with a consciousness, it just seem incredibly unlikely sadly As if humanity's knowledge circa 2023 is the end-all of things!

This arrogance underpins so many comments on here. We don't know whether some breakthrough is possible that makes interstellar travel viable using hitherto unknown physics.

Did you know that Dark Energy is >50% of the whole Big Bang energy? And we have no idea what it is.

Re: US urged to reveal UFO evidence after claim that it has intact alien vehicles

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Post by lemming »

jonathanstrange wrote: post #762
eek2121 wrote: post #387

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am usually one to treat EVERYTHING with a very healthy dose of skepticism, but who are any of us to say what is possible or what is not? I'm sure that a century ago, space was just something we would never reach. The US Military released rather intriguing, yet unexplained videos of objects outmaneuvering our top jets. You should go check those out. I've yet to see an explanation that covers all the data those jets…

Of course, it's possible. Almost anything is possible on some abstract level if we allow our imagination to roam freely. I'm all for asking the US government: "Do you hide alien UFOs?" The question is how you react when the answer is "No." If you keep insisting the government is lying, then you're more and more getting into 'tin foil hat' territory, especially if you're a government employee and have no evidence othe…

Given the article, the more interesting question is how we react if the answer is "Yes".
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