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I don't think 80 years of global peace and safe international trade have been a huge waste.
> 80 years of global peace and safe international trade Sorry but that's a rather myopic take. A significant portion of the world would claim they've experienced nothing of the sort.
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> the premise is contrary to numerous, basic logical inferences How so? The argument for no aliens is lack of evidence, not evidence of their lack.
I think GP is referring to the idea that there are a lot of (unlikely) conditions that would all have to turn out to be correct in order for there to be aliens. Not that there is evidence of no aliens, but that you can do thought experiments to guess at the probability that there are, and it doesn't look good. Things like: * There have to be enough star systems and planets that could support life. Research here is ex…
If you can flash a light bright enough to be seen by other civilization you can communicate with them at light speed. Then once you convince your communication partners to build machines and run programs you send them, your AI's can "travel" at light speed.
Once the AI has arrived it can start communicating without the light speed lag and things really start moving. The AI could build UFO's locally using the science and tech of its own culture.
If your aliens are just data, light speed travel doesn't sound that far fetched.
Am I missing something or is the only thing that makes this different than so many other "insider" claims is that this guy has a career history that implies he isn't just another crackpot spewing theories? It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past, but this time people think the guy is more reliable. It is pretty funny that the one of the people often quoted who backs up Grusch's claims is Jona…
It's so hilarious: "This can't be true, people would have exposed it, there's no way they could cover this up!" ... "It reads just like so many claims like we have heard in the past" I mean.... come on people, try harder. One simple explanation is that Grusch's story is mostly true. eg: There is a secret project, they have been doing reverse engineering, and they did keep it from congress for a very long time. This i…
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Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some small but significant portion of the population is mentally ill, and it seems likely a few would hear a joke ("we keep the alien space ships through that door, I'd show you but I'd have to kill you"), take it way too literally, and it becomes the focus of their mental illness. That seems not only possible but probable given the size the military industrial complex.
> Why does it have to be a conspiracy? Some of his claims, if you believe them, point towards coordinated activities. For example, he claims that an intelligence official, who he had known and worked with for a long time and who he trusted, pulled him aside and confided in him about this project. This intelligence official mentioned a particular project name. He then claims that later a totally different intelligence…
As a strawman, a conspiracy which requires 10K people or more to pull it off gets assigned 0.0, while a single person conspiracy is assigned 1.0.
So anytime someone tells you about a conspiracy theory, ask them to estimate the conspiracy factor.
Examples of high conspiracy factor theory’s would be sports with a single, extremely important player (a goalie) for example since only one person needs to be corrupted.
An example of a low conspiracy factor theory would be the Moon landing as 1000s of people would need to be corrupted.
Alright HN, we all know that this is likely untrue, from a rational angle, and this thread is full of reasons why, but play this mental exercise with me for a minute: What if its true ? What repercussions would having alien technology have on civilization? Would this fundamentally change beliefs? Influence religion? EDIT: someone pointed out to make this more stimulating we need constrains, assuming the following is…
We Christians would need to answer these questions:
1. Are there animals anywhere else besides earth?
2. If yes, do any of these animals have what we call ‘rational souls’? That is, are they spiritual beings?
3. If there are such spiritual beings, are any or all of them, like us, fallen?
4. If any of them have fallen, have they been denied Redemption by the Incarnation and Passion of Christ? Christ could have come to those worlds also.
5. Finally, if all of the first four questions could be answered yes, is it certain that this is the only possible mode of Redemption?
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I assume that interstellar travel is really difficult for any civilization. That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics (relativity in particular).
> That assumption is based on my knowledge of physics based on your knowledge of known physics. We're still adding to the periodic table...
Right, and for exactly that reason, it enjoys the advantage over competing theories.
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Yes, but the whole thing about "(insert deity of your choice here) made man in his own image" that seems to be quite prevalent throughout most major religions gets debunked almost immediately if there's some bipedal creature that predates our entire civilization showing up in a hyper-advanced spacecraft. There are no higher powers if someone rolls up being able to do what our current understanding of physics calls ma…
As someone raised southern baptist but no longer religious, they'll just change the meaning behind the phrase. "He made us in his own image in the sense of our spirit" "He is imperceivable and therefore He may take many forms" (I.E. when God was a flaming bush) Or my fave, "He works in mysterious ways". The church will adapt as it always has for millennias.
Even if some scripture explicitly stated that aliens do not exist, the existence of aliens would not disprove, or even diminish the possibility of the existence of God. From the perspective of practitioners it would simply mean that whoever wrote that scripture misunderstood what was told to them. In other words, man is fallible, and easily forgiven for misinterpreting the word of God. I honestly believe that the arrival of aliens wouldn't even prove to be a minor speed bump for organized religion.
I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. All of this stuff reeks of some kind of psyop. My belief is that for some reason, the US government used psychology tests to identify a select few people who naturally "want to believ…
> I saw an interview with this guy just yesterday. He didn't see anything himself. His claim is that some people, and he believes them to be trustworthy, confided in him and showed him some documents. So, at best his testimony is hearsay. This is the same MO as Stephen Greer's grift about the same thing. Greer claims that he was given access to classified documents and information that say the government is hiding th…
I'm sure that at some point he became unhireable and needed to make money any way he could... and that's when the grifts began.
I think he's a mixed bag who unfortunately had to taint himself in order to actually make some money.