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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by polotics »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #232

if we're already at it - have you heard about the freedom of russia legion? allegedly russian citizens turning against their own government. everything i could gather about that group smells to high heaven and nobody questions that narrative. pro-ukrainian media basically just praises those selfless heroes for their action. but none of it makes any sense. neither psychologically, nor militarily, nor socially, nor pol…

Oh wow how did you manage to get good sources about the state of the CIS's psychology, society, or for that matter military? Do you have access to FSB's secret polls? How does polling work if the wrong answer gets you 15 years in a penal colony?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by nicce »

Yizahi wrote: post #230
nicce wrote: post #166

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Who benefits the most from the collapse? Does it disturb Ukraine or Russian military the most? Who will achieve military goals because of this? Does it help Ukraine in information warfare? (does it increase West participation to war)

Obviously ruzzia benefits, by blocking western front in preparation of the Ukrainian advance.

It blocks or slows only couple weeks at max. Not really a big gain.

The river has 6 dams. Ukraine can control the upstream flow. It is estimated than in three days, the highest point in downstream is reached and then it will get lower. In the war which has lasted more than year, the benefit is meaningless.

On the other hand, the flow flushes all the Russian defenses on the other side. And the source of drinkable water in Crimean is ruined.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by perihelions »

breput wrote: post #115

Edit: sorry, it is definitely not the same dam, as seen by comparing it to https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1665907533469581313 (NOT) Video of the actual explosion: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1665954209156460544/pu/...

- "it is definitely not the same dam"

It actually *is* the same dam — though a different incident from 2022.

-"Footage verified by the BBC shows the moment a huge explosion rocks Ukraine's Nova Kakhovka dam, near Kherson."

https://www.bbc.com/news/av/world-europe-63607625 (12 November 2022)

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by [deleted] »

dralley wrote: post #2

Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nova-kakhovka-dam-khers... Simulation of worst-case scenarios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE The Russian State News agency claims that the dam "collapsed due to damage" https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/166592960325106892... Ukraine says it was destroyed by the Russian military. Google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kakhovka+Hydroelectric+Po…

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by BasedAnon »

nikanj wrote: post #210
_kbh_ wrote: post #208

This attack is a flagrant violation of the Geneva convention and a war crime. Russia must be punished for doing this or allowing it to happen.

But punishing russia is bad for the economy so EU will issue very strongly worded press releases instead

*punishing russia is a threat to your own citizenry which relies on the economy to feed their families. The economy isn't some alien abstract entity.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by credit_guy »

Scarblac wrote: post #141
credit_guy wrote: post #78

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Wouldn’t Melitopol be harder to defend though? Looks to me that the huge accumulation lake upstream of the dam should drain in a few days, so a crossing by the Ukrainian forces should be much easier.

That will be meters deep mud with steep banks I guess, completely open to enemy fire. Not crossable.

At a minimum this will force the Russians to bring troops and weapons to guard a stretch of more than 100 km, which they didn't need go guard before. That could be thousands of troops that will not be taken from a different part of the frontline.

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Post by dralley »

2-718-281-828 wrote: post #229
dsab wrote: post #7

Its yet another russian war crime during Ukraine invasion

how? if it's a war then isn't it legitimate to destroy energy sources?

Not by flooding tens of thousands of people out of their homes and wrecking the local ecology

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Post by KptMarchewa »

twelve40 wrote: post #234
KptMarchewa wrote: post #189

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Dam wasn't shelled, roadway was on the side pretty far from dam.

Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off. https://www.washi…

The dam is totally broken, not "raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages", besides there are no russian crossings now.

There will be no crossings for months too as soil captures shit ton of water.

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Post by BasedAnon »

simion314 wrote: post #209
deadbolt wrote: post #116

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Glad you're not in charge. Maybe you feel cool saying you'd ok an operation which would result in the deaths of more innocents, but that's an abhorrent position.

And if your enemy does not have same morals? You allow them to destroy your hospitals, electric power plants, dams, your nuclear power and you keep your moral superiority? Say some piece of shit country would drop nuclear bombs on a city full of civilians, and I should not do the same back because for morality? Will not that encourage that evil country t drop more nuclear bombs? What is your opinion then, if you are…

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