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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Anyone who values STEM and the legacy of enlightenment that has made STEM possible should definitely pledge allegiance to the Western side in a conflict with Russia or China, even if that includes repeating wartime propaganda at times. I find it perfectly rational.

Funding this war (which we're losing) is gutting funding for further education and scientific research. It's possible there's a secret plan which will turn things around, but it seems more likely that the only thing which benefits from our inevitable defeat is the arms industry.

How are we losing? Ukraine was supposed to fall in days. For them, even holding the line isn't losing, and they've pushed the line back.

I talked about politics that I don't like here it is: the west is not losing, it's winning substantially. Even if Ukraine doesn't win back territory, the west sees Russia bash itself against a wall losing men and equipment, and showing its hand operationally. And the amount spent is a pittance to western governments. We could, and imo we should, give Ukraine to means to win. But I would say there is a calculation going on the US about stringing out the war longer to weaken Russia even further and perhaps even pull out its alliances, see what happens.

Neither Russia nor Ukraine are going to "win" in the sense of coming out of things better than they went in. Ukraine obviously. But Russia has probably fallen further from higher. The war has essentially solidified Ukraine identity and politics, but it's starting to unravel Russian politics. Nobody can know what the future holds, but I cannot see a future now where Russia is not considerably weakened - it's turned it's western neighbours/customers into enemies, shown weakness to its vassal states, and gone begging to China for material and trade.

Also what outcome do you want? We surely don't want Russia to win this and think its great and start more wars and repress more people. I think we should care at least.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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if we're already at it - have you heard about the freedom of russia legion? allegedly russian citizens turning against their own government. everything i could gather about that group smells to high heaven and nobody questions that narrative. pro-ukrainian media basically just praises those selfless heroes for their action. but none of it makes any sense. neither psychologically, nor militarily, nor socially, nor politically - any theories on what's going on with that?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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The only way this war is going to end is for Russia to be removed from Ukraine by force, and that unfortunately requires dead Russian soldiers.

Who says that's the only way?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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It's been shelled for months probably by all parties at some point > Ukraine's Armed Forces (UAF) "developed a tactic to work around that limitation by conducting multiple precision strikes across the key Antonivskiy Bridge and the road that ran atop the Kakhovka Dam in such a way as to break the roadways in a line across them, rendering them unusable without actually destroying the bridges' infrastructure (or badly…

Dam wasn't shelled, roadway was on the side pretty far from dam.

Kovalchuk considered flooding the river. The Ukrainians, he said, even conducted a test strike with a HIMARS launcher on one of the floodgates at the Nova Kakhovka dam, making three holes in the metal to see if the Dnieper’s water could be raised enough to stymie Russian crossings but not flood nearby villages. The test was a success, Kovalchuk said, but the step remained a last resort. He held off.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/2022/12/29/ukraine-offe...

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Sad how a genocidal terrorist state can still exist in this day and age.

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So dropping bombs on neighboring civilians killing and mutilating kids is neither good nor bad according to you?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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There's an oversimplification. Entire bands of the earths surface receive the same amount of sunlight per square metre for similar amounts of average time per day. Only some of these regions are left with only dry desert sand. There might be more to this than simple hours per day of sunlight, topography for one factor.

There's more. Sun is also responsible for floods, typhoons, cyclones and tornadoes. Hundreds of disasters every year. Come to think of it, energy stored in the dam is the result from the Sun evaporating water from other areas, and then convection currents, aka wind, blowing the clouds over the continent and condensing. So, it's all energy from a nuclear explosion.

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Funding this war (which we're losing) is gutting funding for further education and scientific research. It's possible there's a secret plan which will turn things around, but it seems more likely that the only thing which benefits from our inevitable defeat is the arms industry.

> It's possible there's a secret plan which will turn things around, but it seems more likely that the only thing which benefits from our inevitable defeat is the arms industry. The benefit of a Russia that is incapable of committing more or any forces to there numerous wars of conquest is a net benefit for the entirety of the Europe as it increases stability in the region.

It could still mean a Vietnam type situation which wasn't fun for the Vietnamese. But I doubt Ukrainian citizens would choose the other option just to end it early.

Might be worth asking again in a year from now when this war will likely still be deadlocked.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don'…

You’d think everyone in the US can align with Ukraine on this. Peaceful orientation: Russia started it Warlike orientation: Ukraine winning this thing would defeat a major US rival Budget conscious: sending $1 to Ukraine does more to cement US hegemony than sending it to the DoD Social justice types: Russia has a horrific record on the human rights of anyone who isn’t Putin Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of th…

Thanks, great wording

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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You’d think everyone in the US can align with Ukraine on this. Peaceful orientation: Russia started it Warlike orientation: Ukraine winning this thing would defeat a major US rival Budget conscious: sending $1 to Ukraine does more to cement US hegemony than sending it to the DoD Social justice types: Russia has a horrific record on the human rights of anyone who isn’t Putin Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of th…

>Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of the USSR, is trying to align itself more with the Western way of doing things and Russia is violently trying to stop them The biggest meme amongst conservatives now is how west all sucks. Amazing how quickly that spread. Reagan would be disgusted with traitors that calls themselves Republicans nowadays.

Wonder where that meme came from. And the conservatives further up the thread are accusing me of falling for pro-Ukraine propaganda.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don'…

There’s a lot of pro Russia / pro CCP people on HN. Even dang is pro CCP. Would be nice to live in a world where there was no border conflicts or vile threats from governments.

Ah, the world without humans!
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