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It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.
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Pearl-clutching alone is not a valid justification to end a discussion.
The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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#132Is this a deliberate flooding to stop troops? Like the dutch did: https://neverwasmag.com/2016/07/how-the-dutch-would-flood-th...
No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.
The water situation is way overblown. Crimea did fine since 2014 when the water was cut. There were shortages in the central and north parts but mostly because of high demand from the local industry (Crimean Titan plant) and agriculture (it is hard to believe but they were planting rice over there). It also helped that due to the climate change we had unusually heavy rains and even floods in the southern parts. Because of that, water supply in Sevastopol hasn't been rationed even once even though the population has increased, although it was a common occurrence before 2014.
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Crimea has survived without water for years previously. Russia may have determined that the expense of some aquaducts across the Kerch Strait is less than the expense they may incur from a successful Ukrainian crossing of the river. Or they may have determined they are likely to lose Crimea anyway and are salting the earth behind them. This is to say, there are plenty of reasons why they may feel motivated to do this…
They may not “need” the water for drinking, but it looks like it supports a lot of crop irrigation.
It does not seem that Russia ever cared about the wellbeing of the territories they occupy.
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#135Did Ukraine just wipe out majority of Russian defences? That could go down in history as one of the boldest moves ever.
Russia was in control of the dam, had mined it, and had in recent weeks let water levels go up to unprecedented levels. Something like 80 settlements will be completely inundated, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe loses its cooling reservoir and attacks over the river will be impossible for weeks. I don't think Ukraine did it. (getting information from the thread in /r/worldnews).
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#136The effect/kinetic energy of the water involved would be comparable to that released by a nuclear explosion. Total madness. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2023/jun/06/nova-kakhovka-... "The reservoir it contains holds an estimated 18 cubic kilometres of water, about the same volume as the Great Salt Lake in Utah. Bursting the dam could send a wall of water flooding settlements below it, including Kherson, which Uk…
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that one is 150 million kilometers away, and we have an atmosphere for our protection.
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#137Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/nova-kakhovka-dam-khers... Simulation of worst-case scenarios: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE The Russian State News agency claims that the dam "collapsed due to damage" https://twitter.com/Osinttechnical/status/166592960325106892... Ukraine says it was destroyed by the Russian military. Google maps: https://www.google.com/maps/place/Kakhovka+Hydroelectric+Po…
“Collapsed due to damage“. Looks pretty clearly like an explosion. Russian state news agency. The fine folks that bring news reports like “local nerd found hitting himself by school bully”
Well, explosive damage..
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I'm not talking about the 2014 "election" that happened after the Crimea invasion. I'm talking about before all that. The 2014 coup openly supported by US and Europe that overthrew Ukraine's pro-Russian elected President. These things aren't propaganda, they are events that happened. Do you honestly believe that coup was totally organic and the US had no hand in that one (just others)? There is precedent for the US m…
> I'm not talking about the 2014 "election" that happened after the Crimea invasion. I'm talking about before all that. The 2014 coup openly supported by US and Europe that overthrew Ukraine's pro-Russian elected President. Neither am I, did you even read my comment? It’s a revolution, not a coup, when will you learn already? And I don’t understand the point you’re trying to make. That without US and Europe Euromaida…
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No it's very simple. If Russia didn't invade, Russia wouldn't be killing people and blowing up their stuff. Russia's actions are Russia's responsibility, not America's.
Constant surprise how many pro Russian views there are from a mainly American audience on a tech website. I'm anti war, anti the US going into Iraq for example. Therefore I'm on the side of Ukraine here and we should give any support necessary for them to defend themselves. No "provocation" that happened or has been made up or imagined by Russia excuses what they're doing. There are plenty of political reasons I don'…
You’d think everyone in the US can align with Ukraine on this.
Peaceful orientation: Russia started it
Warlike orientation: Ukraine winning this thing would defeat a major US rival
Budget conscious: sending $1 to Ukraine does more to cement US hegemony than sending it to the DoD
Social justice types: Russia has a horrific record on the human rights of anyone who isn’t Putin
Conservatives: Ukraine, formerly part of the USSR, is trying to align itself more with the Western way of doing things and Russia is violently trying to stop them