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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

- settlements on river banks will be swept away - the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, ZNPP, won't be restarted due to lack of cooling - Crimea will lost access to fresh water - First line of defence for both sides are swept away. - it will be harder for Ukraine side to mount an amphibious assault So it's a lose-lose situation for everyone.

Not if you’re going to lose anyway

Who does that apply to?

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#112
post #82

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's sad how people still believe Russian propaganda, and these claims have been constant throughout the war: - We didn't bomb the civilians, that was Ukraine. - The torture chambers weren't ours, they were found in Ukraine. - Ukraine are nazis (no comments on the Russian white supremacists in the military). - We did not blow up Nord Stream 2, that was Ukraine (or the US). - We did not blow up the dam, that was Ukrai…

It's called "fog of war". If you believe everything Ukraine/US/EU says you are just as much as a fool as if you did believing Russia.

I agree with the intention of this comment. However, "fog of war" usually refers to the situation the fighting soldiers and commanders are in, not to the situation the ordinary population. It refers to the fact, that the soldiers and commanders themselves need to fight. Where they need to base their decisions on an understanding of the situation high uncertainty.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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> You can be an achieved software developer, civil engineer or doctor - doesn't mean you're not an idiot. Whatever you are doesn't make you some genius either. We're all just people. Trying to understand an incredibly complicated situation doesn't make someone stupid.

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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#114
post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> shifting blame game No need for game: if Russia did not invade, this would not happen.

That doesn't give a blank check to do whatever you want without criticism. And if previous actions justify later actions then the US shouldn't have meddled in 2014. Thus "no need" to blame Russia, the US is responsible. In reality, things are much more nuanced than that logic.

Interesting question. How badly does someone have to behave before you feel you have a moral blank cheque in stopping them. I think starting a war counts.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#116

If I were in charge I would blowup a similar dam in Ruzzia. Let the bastards know that there ill be consequences for this war crimes.

Glad you're not in charge. Maybe you feel cool saying you'd ok an operation which would result in the deaths of more innocents, but that's an abhorrent position.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#117
post #14

Is this a deliberate flooding to stop troops? Like the dutch did: https://neverwasmag.com/2016/07/how-the-dutch-would-flood-th...

No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.

Russia will never give up crimea. In fact it 'always' practically belonged to Russia. Their most important naval base is there for decades.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#118
post #102

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> Meanwhile you're sitting in your comfy chairs asking for 'credible sources' and wondering which side this benefits more. But it's precisely because we're sitting in a comfy chair that we have to ask for credible sources. "Fog of War" is a real thing and disinformation campaigns have been integral to this war. Most people here couldn't pinpoint this dam on a map and it's not immediately obvious that this isn't some…

The fact that the victim is not credible to you is already appaling.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#119

I'm not a military expert, but it seems like this will benefit the Russians, who will now have time to reinforce and strengthen their positions in Kherson Oblast on the south side of the Dnipro River at a time when Ukraine has been gaining momentum, and possibly considering crossing for a counter-offensive. From a purely positional perspective, this is a big advantage for the Russians, who benefit from a more prolong…

I'm not sure Ukraine ever planned a large-scale crossing of the Dnipro from Kherson. Certainly not for the main thrust of the counter offensive.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

#120
post #8

So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?

- settlements on river banks will be swept away - the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, ZNPP, won't be restarted due to lack of cooling - Crimea will lost access to fresh water - First line of defence for both sides are swept away. - it will be harder for Ukraine side to mount an amphibious assault So it's a lose-lose situation for everyone.

It will also make it easier for Ukraine to attack upstream when the reservoir is empty. In places where there are virtually no Russian defenses. So that's a win for Ukraine.
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