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The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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Someone provided confirmed russian defensive positions along Dniepr. Unless the Russians moved out before the Ukrainians would have at least a reason to destroy the dam. They have, however, avoided civilian casualties, and looking at the map this would have been a deviation from that. It would fit the russian MO better
What are you saying could be a reason for Ukraine to do this? The flooding is probably not fast enough to trap/kill soldiers at those positions. And while those defensive positions will be "destroyed", they are replaced kilometers of marshlands, which is a superior defense, at least in the coming months. It can be held with much fewer people, shortening the effective length of the front, and freeing up soldiers to be used elsewhere. Massive gain for Russia, unfortunately. Likely nothing positive for Ukraine, unless they have something _incredibly_ creative going on.
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#213This attack is a flagrant violation of the Geneva convention and a war crime. Russia must be punished for doing this or allowing it to happen.
More weapons and permission to strike military targets in Russia seems like a proportional response. Otherwise, what's the response for blowing up a nuclear power plant in the future? Slap on the fingers? Russia keeps escalating, it's clear now that this can only be allowed to end with the full defeat of the Russian military.
Whether the dam was blown up or collapsed due to damage is just the difference between shooting someone and slowly poisoning them, it's still murder.
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Ukraine needed to present a credible threat to cross there to pin Russian forces in the area. Now that it's basically impossible to cross the river, Russia can redeploy the majority of the forces to other areas.
Was it ever feasible for them to cross the Dnipro with heavy equipment though? It already seemed too wide for pontoon bridges?
Last fall, Russians have built and used several pontoon bridges over Dnipro for a few weeks, as they defended Kherson city and the Antonovskij bridge was rendered unusuable by HIMARS strikes.
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> Not sure what other credible source you may want. I'm a little confused: You did not provide any source. You're not obligated to provide any, but I don't understand your comment.
FYI, it stops looking like innocent questioning when you put more time and effort into repeating the question in multiple places than into looking up the answer yourself. If you think someone is wrong, then be forthright about that, and consider whether addressing the lack of adequate sourcing is still necessary after you've made a real contribution to the conversation. In a topic like this one, people can reasonably…
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> Not sure what other credible source you may want. I'm a little confused: You did not provide any source. You're not obligated to provide any, but I don't understand your comment.
FYI, it stops looking like innocent questioning when you put more time and effort into repeating the question in multiple places than into looking up the answer yourself. If you think someone is wrong, then be forthright about that, and consider whether addressing the lack of adequate sourcing is still necessary after you've made a real contribution to the conversation. In a topic like this one, people can reasonably…
Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
#217The terrain is higher on the NW side... This seems like a really strange move given their defensive positions. (old link with color topo and some color commentary) https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/yansa7/...
Ukraine just started counterattack so this effectively blocks attack through Kherson region.
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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open
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I'm kinda happy for that power plant not to be restarted though. It's much better for it to be in a shutdown state if it finds itself in the middle of combat again. I know Ukraine needed the power but it getting damaged could cause problems far beyond Ukraine. One Chernobyl was enough. But I hope it has enough cooling water to cool its storage reservoirs. All the other effects are terrible of course :( And all favour…
It was in shutdown state ever since it was taken by Russia and there were no plans to restart it until the end of the conflict.
Oh ok I read somewhere they wanted to restart it soon. In that case it's also a bad outcome of this dam bust indeed :(
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I'm kinda happy for that power plant not to be restarted though. It's much better for it to be in a shutdown state if it finds itself in the middle of combat again. I know Ukraine needed the power but it getting damaged could cause problems far beyond Ukraine. One Chernobyl was enough. But I hope it has enough cooling water to cool its storage reservoirs. All the other effects are terrible of course :( And all favour…
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I read somewhere they wanted to restart it soon.
In that case it's also a very bad outcome of this dam bust indeed :(
However the amount of cooling needed in shutdown is much lower, at least it should be doable to rig up an alternative source.
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#220Edit: sorry, it is definitely not the same dam, as seen by comparing it to https://twitter.com/igorsushko/status/1665907533469581313 (NOT) Video of the actual explosion: https://video.twimg.com/ext_tw_video/1665954209156460544/pu/...
This is an old video from November last year (when ruscists retreated from Kherson).
Posting a video that is old and not related, yet plausibly attached to a news campaign is a classic information warfare tactic.
Makes you wonder where the initial news source was from...?