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Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by wolverine876 »

nate_meurer wrote: post #12
deanCommie wrote: post #10

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Benefits the Russians who have been dealing with a Ukranian counter-offensive, and commentators have been wondering if Ukraine would attempt to cross the Dnipro and mount a counter-offensive to cut Crimea off from the mainland. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=0tRYWbVD5AE is a great visualization of why that task is basically impossible now.

Scorched earth retreats are also a time-honored Soviet and Russian military strategy.

I'd love to read an expert source on that, if you have one.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by antupis »

edrxty wrote: post #17

The terrain is higher on the NW side... This seems like a really strange move given their defensive positions. (old link with color topo and some color commentary) https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/yansa7/...

Ukraine just started counterattack so this effectively blocks attack through Kherson region.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by UberFly »

baybal2 wrote: post #14
hackandthink wrote: post #4

Is this a deliberate flooding to stop troops? Like the dutch did: https://neverwasmag.com/2016/07/how-the-dutch-would-flood-th...

No, it's a scorched earth tactic, in preparation to abandoning Crimea. Without this dam, Crimea will be without water for at least next 3 to 5 years after Ukraine recaptures it.

This is actually correct, at least the effect it will have on Crimea's water supply.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by edrxty »

antupis wrote: post #22
edrxty wrote: post #17

The terrain is higher on the NW side... This seems like a really strange move given their defensive positions. (old link with color topo and some color commentary) https://www.reddit.com/r/NonCredibleDefense/comments/yansa7/...

Ukraine just started counterattack so this effectively blocks attack through Kherson region.

Following some of the threads, there's satellite evidence it may have just failed for mechanical reasons. If this was unintentional and they didn't abandon those positions downstream they're in for a bad time.

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by Bootvis »

coconut_crab wrote: post #13
tivert wrote: post #8

So: 1. What side does this help? 2. How does this action help that side?

- settlements on river banks will be swept away - the biggest nuclear power plant in Europe, ZNPP, won't be restarted due to lack of cooling - Crimea will lost access to fresh water - First line of defence for both sides are swept away. - it will be harder for Ukraine side to mount an amphibious assault So it's a lose-lose situation for everyone.

Not if you’re going to lose anyway

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by orbital-decay »

wolverine876 wrote: post #21
nate_meurer wrote: post #12

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Scorched earth retreats are also a time-honored Soviet and Russian military strategy.

I'd love to read an expert source on that, if you have one.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fire_of_Moscow_(1812)

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by Scarblac »

psychphysic wrote: post #26

Did Ukraine just wipe out majority of Russian defences? That could go down in history as one of the boldest moves ever.

Russia was in control of the dam, had mined it, and had in recent weeks let water levels go up to unprecedented levels. Something like 80 settlements will be completely inundated, the largest nuclear power plant in Europe loses its cooling reservoir and attacks over the river will be impossible for weeks.

I don't think Ukraine did it.

(getting information from the thread in /r/worldnews).

Re: The Nova Kakhovka Hydroelectric dam in Ukraine has been blown open

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Post by dehrmann »

perihelions wrote: post #11

This article currently has much more information (as of the time of posting) https://www.theguardian.com/world/live/2023/jun/06/russia-uk... ( "Russia-Ukraine war live: dam near Kherson destroyed by Russian forces, says Ukraine, sparking evacuations" )

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