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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by chakravyuh » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:19 PM UTC

throwaway384629 wrote: post #283

codegeek wrote: post #180

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Ok I will bite. I travel to India once or twice a year for both pleasure and business. I can only tell you what I feel and see. I see incredible infrastructure changes even though India still has long way to go compared to other developed or even developing nations. Tons of airports being built and improved. Many highways being built and even completed in last few years. "changed the calculation method to measure the…

As per govt, out of 140 crore Indians, 80 crore rely on government for free food. That is 57% of Indians need government help for free food. [1] If You Earn Rs 25,000 (USD 300) Per Month, You're Among India's Top 10% Income Earners [2] >> I travel to India once or twice a year for both pleasure and business. I can only tell you what I feel and see. You may be able to travel to India and got 1 USD converted to INR 80,…

The government changed the highway measuring methodology in 2018 [1].

Under new methodology, highway stretch built = Number of lanes * kilometer stretch.

This is actually the international standard. However, when the current government compares itself with prior government, it compares apples with oranges: new methodology numbers versus old methodology numbers.

[1] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/now-new-concept-to...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:21 PM UTC

screye wrote: post #288

throwaway384629 wrote: post #182

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Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly. >> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill: "The laws would have deregulated a system…

Did you even read my post ? > China is a "proper liberal democracy" as per you? The exact line you quoted, literally ends with an "if at all" in brackets right after. > Source please? That Rahul Gandhi is the 6th generation heir ? Motilal -> Jawaharlal -> Indira -> Rajiv -> Sonia -> Rahul. What's disputable here ? That he is incompetent ? I mean, even the most ardent congress fan won't deny that Rahul Gandhi is incom…

>> He oversaw the downfall of the freest of wins in world politics anywhere.

BJP under Modi-Shah lost 8 states, 218 by-elections in last two years [1]

Karnataka and Himachal Pradesh are the two states where the BJP has lost to Congress in the last six months. The BJP lost deposits in 38.4% of the seats it contested in Southern Karnataka. [2] [3]

Modi was the face of election campaign and spent whole centre government money and machinery to campaign. Modi speaks a script written by someone else by using a teleprompter and has never given an open & live unscripted press conference in last 8 years ([4] [5] [6]). By your logic, are you trying to say Modi is also incompetent?

>> The exact line you quoted, literally ends with an "if at all" in brackets right after.

Got it. So you are hoping some day China will transition to democracy AFTER industrialization had been achieved, and you think India might need to convert to an authoritarian state in order to successfully escaped poverty? Is my understanding correct?

Also, you haven's still answered my 2 questions:

1. How is "The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill."?

2. What do you mean about this: "We do not vote for Presidents in India. The president was selected by the ruling party"?

[1] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/india/bjp-under-modi-sha...

[2] https://time.com/6280139/india-modi-bjp-congress-karnataka-e...

[3] https://www.thehindu.com/data/data-how-significant-is-bjps-d...

[4] https://www.reuters.com/article/india-election-modi/at-his-f...

[5] https://www.indiatoday.in/india/story/rti-pmo-pm-narendra-mo...

[6] https://www.nationalheraldindia.com/opinion/why-hasnt-pm-mod...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by chakravyuh » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:23 PM UTC

sbmthakur wrote: post #225

throwaway384629 wrote: post #182

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Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly. >> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill: "The laws would have deregulated a system…

Stubble burning was long banned but it's still being practiced and contributes to Delhi's pollution. In fact, one of the demands of the farm protests was to release those who were arrested for stubble burning[1]. > Again, wrong. The 2022 Indian presidential election was held on 18 July 2022 to elect the president of India. It's not a general election. Only MPs and MLAs get to vote for the president. > Source please?…

Banning doesn't take care of the problem completely unless there is a mechanism to take stubble away from the farmers. If there is no mechanism, people will burn it to get rid.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:24 PM UTC

kloc wrote: post #275

This account has been constantly submitting anti ruling party articles to demean India. Nothing in the article or proof otherwise which indicates that this was done by the rulling party. A lot of other articles submitted by this "throwaway" account are also questionable.

I have backed everything with sources in my posts? Can you point out if anything is not correct? Or do you have a general issue when something is said against ruling party?

If you really care about reputation of India, how about advising someone in BJP to prevent this type of things from happening at first place?

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by chakravyuh » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:28 PM UTC

codegeek wrote: post #137

screye wrote: post #80

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It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems. The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes) > dared to vote a great scientist to president We do not vote for Presidents in…

Funny you are being downvoted because you are speaking the truth. I have already said in another comment that people like the current party because they actually get shit done in various areas like infrastructure etc which was hugely neglected for decades. We all know that but some people wouldn't want to accept.

The methodology for measuring highways built was changed in 2018 [1]. Read about it yourself.

[1] https://www.hindustantimes.com/india-news/now-new-concept-to...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by SecretDreams » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:29 PM UTC

juujian wrote: post #6

That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

Nah, this is fine.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by khuss » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:32 PM UTC

India, under its current leadership of Modi's Hindutva government is a near-term threat to its minorities, opposition and dissenting voices. If it goes unchecked, it won't be long before a global threat emerges. Modi himself is one of the propagators of fake news and hate speech. He dog-whistles his social media army to systematically spread communal division and consolidate Hindu votes. Most of the mainstream media is already under his cronies like Adani. The most recent one to fall is NDTV, which used to be an independent voice. If there is one country to watch out for the misuse of AI for political gains, it would be India especially with elections happening in the next year.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by 13of40 » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:42 PM UTC

FabHK wrote: post #343

13of40 wrote: post #319

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OK, here's an example: A couple of months ago they were tossing around the idea of "retaking Crimea". I believe that any effort to do that should be based on a best effort assessment of the will of the people living there, because those are the people who will be getting artillery shells in their livingroom in exchange for it. Based on my own experience with expats from there and Donbas, who still have family in the…

> those people are happy being Russian again. Show me on CNN or NPR where their voices and perspectives are being shared. Here we go, as requested: https://edition.cnn.com/2014/03/16/world/europe/ukraine-cris... > One voter, Grigory Illarionovich, told CNN, “I’m for restoring Crimea to Russia. Returning what Khrushchev took away.” > Another voter in Perevalnoye, Viktor Savchenko, said he would never vote for the gove…

Yep, 2014 and 2018. Meanwhile, for the second one, if you scroll down to the "More Stories from NPR" section:

- Two dead, 23 wounded in a Russian strike on a Ukrainian medical clinic

- Ukraine secured military aid, including advanced fighter jets, at the G-7 summit

- Zelenskyy arrives at G-7 summit in Japan as leaders ramp up pressure on Russia

- Russia attacked the hometown of Ukraine's Eurovision band just before its performance

Fair and balanced reporting, right there. The first and last bullet points aren't at all the bald-faced examples of atrocity propaganda that we've just accepted as part of our daily feed.

Next, they're going to be raping nuns on tables[1] and throwing babies out of their incubators[2].

[1] http://www.telelib.com/authors/O/OrwellGeorge/prose/ComeingU...

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nayirah_testimony#:~:text=In%2....

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by joshspankit » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:45 PM UTC

EVa5I7bHFq9mnYK wrote: post #153

joshspankit wrote: post #114

How will we verify photos and videos without dissolving in to endless speculation? I’m genuinely asking as this is something I’ve been worried about for a while. The only thing I can think of is storing a hash or “phash” with a trusted third party that can then be used to later verify which image is the original. For video, store the hash/phash of the frames with timestamps. But would that even work? How do you back-…

No, that would not work. You can apply a filter and immediately after compute a hash. For now, the fake pictures are rather easy to spot to a trained eye.

> You can apply a filter and immediately after compute a hash.

Can you expand on that? I’m not sure what wouldn’t work

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by EGreg » Mon, May 29, 2023, 9:48 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #301

stale2002 wrote: post #286

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> Maybe it is relevant I think it absolutely is relevant, given that the conversation itself was about changing narratives, as a meta point. > you almost make it sound like Web3 has a second chance or something. This thread itself, is one of the rare ones where bringing up web3 actually is relevant, yes. It is reasonable for him to make that argument, because the topic is literally about how to authenticate things wh…

> as a meta point. I mean, it's a stretch. I could use that stretching metaphor as an excuse to talk about taffy for 4 paragraphs, but it doesn't contribute anything meaningful to the conversation. Scrounging up discussion about Web3 on an Indian government exposé is off-topic, and readers will flag it. It's equally substantial as those "this is good for Bitcoin" posts that get flagged under every article about a gov…

Somehow AI fans can’t seem to understand how scale changes things.

Bombs have been around for a long time. What if everyone could have many, cheaply and easily? Why, since nothing happens with N of them, then 20,000 x N is just a little more of the same. And so what if the bots are now able to hold conversations and pass the Turing test 24x7 at scale? We have been able to hire humans to do that.

Except… no. That’s not how it works and you know it. Allowing anyone to deploy swarms of bots with superhuman memory, strategy, coordination, and now the ability to do many tasks with acceptable or good results at scale, is a game-changer and the question is whether it will make society better off.

The same questions asked of Web3’s downsides should be asked of AI. Not upsides, downsides. The fact that the guy in charge of safety at OpenAI says he thinks there’s a 20% chance of human extinction and you choose to shrug it off and focus on some other part — is the issue.

This isn’t just an academic discussion. It is like the people who profit off of coal and other things, regardless of their emissions or effect on people or climate. It matters and should be regulated.