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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pjc50 »

deno wrote: post #127
pjc50 wrote: post #111

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Technical solution to a social problem. It's not that it's impossible to tell the difference between real and fake, it's that there's no consequences for posting fakes. (A "solution" which requires end users to authenticate everything themselves is going to have the same level of adoption as pgp, i.e. near zero)

I like a green checkmark next to a photo better than giving more power to whoever you think should be the one determining and enforcing those consequences.

The consequences I mean are those of the public: proving that the ruling party forged images isn't going to get people to change their votes. You can build the green checkmark, but you can't get people to care about it.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 »

screye wrote: post #80
dagmx wrote: post #22

As an NRI, I continue to be disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life. Between the politics and the pollution in Delhi, I fear I can never really return home. The last time I was home, I was struggling every day to breathe because Delhi has crazy air in the winter. While high school friends were telling me about how they don’t believe in equal rights, justifying any means to achieving a Hindu coun…

It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems. The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes) > dared to vote a great scientist to president We do not vote for Presidents in…

Wow! Most of what you mentioned is plain wrong. Not sure if you are mistaken or lying knowingly.

>> The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill.

Crop burning is already outlawed in India and enforced with fines. Why you need to make a new law for something which is already illegal? Below was the actual central idea of the farm bill:

"The laws would have deregulated a system of government-run wholesale markets, allowing farmers to sell directly to food processors, but farmers feared that this would result in the end of government-guaranteed price floors, thereby reducing the prices they would receive for their crops."[1]

>> We do not vote for Presidents in India.

Again, wrong. The 2022 Indian presidential election was held on 18 July 2022 to elect the president of India. The election was the 16th presidential election in India since the Partition. [2]

>> incompetent ~6th generation heir of the Nehru/Gandhi family

Source please?

>> There is a ton of optimism around jobs, infrastructure growth and economic policies

Source please? You must be living in an alternate world.

>> Every single one of them only transitioned to a proper liberal democracy

So, China is a "proper liberal democracy" as per you? Also can you please share a source to support your claims?

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2020_Indian_agriculture_acts

[2] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2022_Indian_presidential_elect...

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by jeswin »

This has devolved into a political discussion unfit for HN. The OP's submission history[1] is almost entirely political, and promoting a specific viewpoint.

While I believe it's ok to discuss politics on HN, my view is that accounts that exist solely for political propaganda should be discouraged.

1: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=throwaway384629

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by AnimalMuppet »

deno wrote: post #104
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

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> You suggest giving up.

Not at all. I'm not sure what I said that makes you think that.

What I say, though, is that we don't know (either individually or as a society) how to operate in this new environment. It's making it hard to stay sane as an individual, and to stay functioning as a society.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by shri_krishna »

dagmx wrote: post #173
shri_krishna wrote: post #165

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The reality on ground is different from what you read in the press or even online. We see the work being done. When work wasn't being done (recent example of Karnataka), people voted BJP out. The alternative (Congress) came to power promising loads of freebies. Now voters on the ground are pissed off (plenty of videos where people are not willing to pay electricity bills or public transport fares because Congress sai…

I absolutely hate the way fellow Indians will just try and deflect negative stories about India as western propaganda. You do a disservice to your country by following that tired playbook. Did you ever stop to consider that I am actually well informed and genuinely disappointed with my country. Criticism of the country and party doesn’t mean I’m simply misinformed. I was critical of things when I lived there, I consu…

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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by archagon »

jeswin wrote: post #183

This has devolved into a political discussion unfit for HN. The OP's submission history[1] is almost entirely political, and promoting a specific viewpoint. While I believe it's ok to discuss politics on HN, my view is that accounts that exist solely for political propaganda should be discouraged. 1: https://news.ycombinator.com/submitted?id=throwaway384629

If politics emergent from SV technology can’t be discussed on HN, then I’d call this community an abject failure.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by throwaway384629 »

codegeek wrote: post #137
screye wrote: post #80

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems. The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes) > dared to vote a great scientist to president We do not vote for Presidents in…

Funny you are being downvoted because you are speaking the truth. I have already said in another comment that people like the current party because they actually get shit done in various areas like infrastructure etc which was hugely neglected for decades. We all know that but some people wouldn't want to accept.

May be you are on same page with the parent poster. But I answered to the parent comment mentioning most of the claims are wrong.

Btw, selling government assets to private companies, or getting the new roads constructed and charging tolls on them does not exactly considered as a government achievement.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by aziaziazi »

capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

Isn’t Verified a feature to (supposedly) attest someone identity instead of attesting the trueness of their tweets?

For my understanding the purpose was to help newcomers to distinguish @realDonaldTrump with @veryRealTrump. It is supposed to prevent impersonating, but that’s just a shift of trust from your own judgement to the Twitter chosen fraud algorithm or whatever method they choose. Can’t see how 10$ add more credibility.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pjc50 »

juujian wrote: post #161
api wrote: post #146

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The era of easy to reproduce but hard to fake media is actually the historical outlier. Before that media was written text and everyone knows anyone can make up anything they want in that domain. Before that most people were illiterate so it didn’t matter much. Media wasn’t even much of a thing. We are headed for the post-media era when any arbitrary piece of media depicting anything can be created for little or no m…

> Before that media was written text and everyone knows anyone can make up anything they want in that domain. From what I gather, Julius Caesar's Commentarii de Bello Gallico was pretty much fanfiction (had somebody write?) about himself. This problem may be older than I thought.

Anyone doing history knows that all the sources are biased. You have to corroborate evidence and adjust for knowing the context in which the work was produced to determine how reliable it is.

Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by whamlastxmas »

throwaway384629 wrote: post #34
capableweb wrote: post #8

> Verified account @wokeflix_ tweeted the same image in a meme > Verified account @randomsena tweeted the same image > Another verified account, @RealAtulsay, tweeted the same image Isn't "Verified" on Twitter just a subscription now, meaning it's just that these people have given Twitter money? Why it matters (in a journalistic sense) who has paid Twitter or not? And why are only some of the verified accounts mentio…

Also, twitter shows the comments from "verified" handles on the top of other comments. Government sponsored trolls have unlimited flow of money to buy verified status and dominate the general public accounts. This is how BJP government uses public money to run troll campaigns on social media against opposition leaders. [1] Possibly hundreds or thousands of persons or "journalists" are getting funds from government to…

The problem isn’t money, it’s unique phone numbers and credit card numbers. Over time there is much easier ways to detect and mass ban platform manipulation accounts.

I’m sure the government of India can make as many numbers and cards as they want, but the problem is still that Twitter can know who issued both and a lot of information about them, including if they’re burner numbers. It still helps tremendously

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