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Re: India ruling party's IT cell used AI to show smile on arrested protesters' faces

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Post by pjc50 »

deno wrote: post #104
AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

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Technical solution to a social problem. It's not that it's impossible to tell the difference between real and fake, it's that there's no consequences for posting fakes.

(A "solution" which requires end users to authenticate everything themselves is going to have the same level of adoption as pgp, i.e. near zero)

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Post by juujian »

hutzlibu wrote: post #96
skinnymuch wrote: post #79

Earlier quoted context omitted.

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"Is there something dystopian about India or Soviet Union that is unlike the Global North?" Actually, I would place the soviet union in the global north (you cannot go much further north, than russia is). And the difference is the extent, what they did to rewrite history. The famous removal of Trotzki out of revolution pictures, after he was not with the main party anymore. Stuff like this, did not happen in the west…

Yup, it's not unique to the Soviet union, the Soviet union is just a particularly salient example. I wouldn't have anything like Trotsky being edited out at hand for the us.

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Post by joshspankit »

How will we verify photos and videos without dissolving in to endless speculation? I’m genuinely asking as this is something I’ve been worried about for a while.

The only thing I can think of is storing a hash or “phash” with a trusted third party that can then be used to later verify which image is the original. For video, store the hash/phash of the frames with timestamps. But would that even work? How do you back-verify that something was captured at a specific time when the device was offline during capture?

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Post by dagmx »

screye wrote: post #80
dagmx wrote: post #22

As an NRI, I continue to be disappointed by the country I called home for most of my life. Between the politics and the pollution in Delhi, I fear I can never really return home. The last time I was home, I was struggling every day to breathe because Delhi has crazy air in the winter. While high school friends were telling me about how they don’t believe in equal rights, justifying any means to achieving a Hindu coun…

It is a conundrum, because the same NRIs oppose bills that would solve India's problems. The ban on crop burning (main cause of Delhi's pollution) was central to the farm bill. But protesting farmers (widely supported in the west) opposed it, and the bill died despite having democratic approval (both national opinion and sufficient votes) > dared to vote a great scientist to president We do not vote for Presidents in…

I corrected the means by which the president is chosen (it’s a vote by the electoral college so it wasn’t completely incorrect to say vote though). Thanks for mentioning that.

I don’t think I agree with your other points. But I do hope your optimism pans out because right now things feel bleak.

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Post by lightedman »

collsni wrote: post #13

Just the beginning, what happens when it becomes impossible to parse fact and fiction? I mean rsa 2048 can be currently broken in 104 days, and we'll be at quantum levels sooner than we realize. How we validating anything after that? Biometric?

>I mean rsa 2048 can be currently broken in 104 days

With what hardware? I've been CONSTANTLY trying to break Hermes2 ransomware (which uses RSA2048) for almost a solid decade.

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Post by ChatGTP »

pjc50 wrote: post #38
juujian wrote: post #6

That is getting real freaking dystopian. Sure, we would have been able to do this before, and the Soviet Union did a ton of photo editing. But doing this particular edit must have been so easy. No cost at all, no mental barrier. You would almost think 'why bother'. And before anyone says 'yeah, but the truth came out'. Well, we saw it, but how many of the particular audience of whatever that outlet was will never see…

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

It will probably do both of those things through autonomous weapons systems and through disinformation.

Some doors were maybe better left unopened, we opened this one. Let's see how it goes.

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Post by beezlebroxxxxxx »

AnimalMuppet wrote: post #58
pjc50 wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

That is what a lot of us think the real threat of "AI" is: not that it will autonomously produce bad outcomes for humanity, but because it's a tool that's indifferent to truth or falsehood it allows any kind of truth or reality based politics to be totally flooded out of the public sphere. Everyone ends up fighting in the hall of mirrors.

Yeah. The postmodernists (as I understand them) have been talking about "post truth" and "claims of truth are just assertions of power". And I've always thought that their position was insane. Now they look more like prophets. That world is increasingly the world we live in. The question becomes, how can we stay sane in that world? How can we find enough actual truth (truth that is actually true , true in the old sen…

You can make a distinction between empirical truths and things (often claims) that are right and wrong. The former has no 'history'; while the latter is contextual and tied up in the practice and expression of reasons, which is to say, it is essentially historical and cultural.

That's really all that postmodern thought says really. Naturally, for a government to be right or wrong, requires that citizens be critical of it, almost actively antagonistic in their demands for reasons, evidence (be it empirical or otherwise) and clarification. Postmodern thought is a critical tool. So that's not that different than what we have right now (most of HN for instance is hyper-critical of nearly all government truth claims), only the demands on citizens are likely outpacing their resources and abilities.

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Post by tdehnel »

pjc50 wrote: post #71
shaan7 wrote: post #64

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I am hoping that AI tooling like this becomes even more widespread (Google Photos is doing that) that more people will finally understand that they cannot trust everything they see online. I hope.

That is not an improvement, because it turns "online" (which is basically everything everywhere - all news media, TV, newspapers) into a politically useless wasteland.

It could just as well be an improvement that makes people smarter, because they will learn not to just believe what they see/hear/read.

Instead, they will have to learn to identify good explanations and rule out bad explanations.

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Post by praveen9920 »

h2odragon wrote: post #95
harryvederci wrote: post #89

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So only the most dystopian news is newsworthy?

Alternately: The West can do no wrong?

"They are doing wrong, We will do wrong too" is probably not a great defence.
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