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Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#662Earlier quoted context omitted.
This. The problem is that Baltimore treats crime as being separate from criminals. Almost all crime is committed by a tiny, tiny group of people - in NYC, 327 people commit 1/3rd of all shoplifting. https://www.nytimes.com/2023/04/15/nyregion/shoplifting-arre... We used to just warehouse people like this, and we stopped because that was mean and did not get us likes on Instagram.
There is a theoretical limit to the rate at which a society can digest unsocialized people, and this is affected by the exposed surface area of the clumps of unsocialized people. Where by “unsocialized” I mean with respect to that particular society - people in any society are “unsocialized” with respect to any other sufficiently separate society. We seem to have run into a case of serious indigestion. Traditionally…
Do you have any tangible data to back up the first sentence or is it just a desire to avoid facing hard reality?
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#663Earlier quoted context omitted.
i deeply disagree with this line of thought. why is the onus on the manufacturer here, instead of going after the thieves?
In every jurisdiction, where they can, police are going after Kia thieves. You can keep throwing people in jail, but more and more jail is obviously not an effective deterrent. This is scientific fact, accepted by the DOJ. [1] It is a simple solution to make the manufacturer fix the car so it is not as easily driven away. [1] https://www.ojp.gov/pdffiles1/nij/247350.pdf
What are the level of auto theft in Korea? Or Japan? You are insisting on putting law abiding population into a cage because we cannot deal with criminal few.
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#664Earlier quoted context omitted.
is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? I suspect it’s a bit of both and Baltimore is trying to pin it all on anyone else but them. Not making excuses for Kia. They should absolutely get penalties for taking shortcuts. But I feel that higher insurance premiums and a bad reputation would take care of it. And people won’t buy their cars.
> is there evidence that car thefts are higher due to Kia, or due to lax enforcement? Yes. In numerous cities the car theft rate has gone way up in the last couple of years, in some doubling or more, with something like 95% of the increase being thefts of these particular Kia and Hyundai models.
And there are also a lot of fat people due to ease of access to forks and spoons.
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#665People are commenting on this with a fundamental lack of understanding of a car's ignition system. This design truly is flawed. Traditionally, the immobilizer in an ignition system is physically tied to the steering column. Basically, you'd need to remove the steering column (the physical pipe that goes between your steering wheel and the front steering rack) in order to remove the part. If you want to defeat that im…
A typical modern (say, mid 90s or later) car immobilizer is not mechanical, it is electronic. If you don't have a properly programmed key (or fob) in close proximity to the sensor, the ECU won't let the engine start. No amount of physical force or access to the steering column will defeat it. You may get far enough to make the starter turn the engine, but the ECU won't fire the injectors. The problem with Hyundai & K…
The problem is that some people decide to steal cars and face no consequences. What’s the car theft levels in Seoul compared to Baltimore? Should we expect them to be different? Why?
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#666Earlier quoted context omitted.
There is a theoretical limit to the rate at which a society can digest unsocialized people, and this is affected by the exposed surface area of the clumps of unsocialized people. Where by “unsocialized” I mean with respect to that particular society - people in any society are “unsocialized” with respect to any other sufficiently separate society. We seem to have run into a case of serious indigestion. Traditionally…
Do you have any tangible data to back up the first sentence or is it just a desire to avoid facing hard reality?
You mean the hard reality that a society can digest an infinite number of unsocialized people instantaneously?
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#667Earlier quoted context omitted.
It also results in a disincentives for all parties involved to invest all the time and effort. You could either convince everyone that "don't be insensitive it's a lot of money for them", or you could try to make the process easier.
That's not what was suggested. The suggestion was to simply not prosecute a theft of about $900.
Yes the disincentive, right here in plain view.
Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#668Is there a list published somewhere documenting which Hyundai and Kia car models are affected?
If you own a Kia, enter your VIM on their site below and it'll tell you if it's vulnerable. I just checked my 2012 Sportage - it has an electronic keyfob start so it's OK. https://ksupport.kiausa.com/ConsumerAffairs/SWLD
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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#669Earlier quoted context omitted.
If you own a Kia, enter your VIM on their site below and it'll tell you if it's vulnerable. I just checked my 2012 Sportage - it has an electronic keyfob start so it's OK. https://ksupport.kiausa.com/ConsumerAffairs/SWLD
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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts
#670Earlier quoted context omitted.
What proportion of them are in prison for possession of small/personal amounts? And is imprisoning people who are smuggling/distributing hard and potentially very dangerous drugs really that controversial?
I have no idea, I don't live there. I'm responding to the assertion that 1/5 is not significant.
no one asserted 1/5 is not significant. you misread this.
i was just stating the fact that the initial number posted was wrong/incomplete.