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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by pedrosorio »

kwere wrote: post #571
psd1 wrote: post #534

Earlier quoted context omitted.

My employer is headquartered in the US and has presence in about 30 countries. I don't recall them taking a position on communism. I don't understand why Americans still cling to this villain. It's 2023, the USSR collapsed 30 years ago.

there are still five openly communist countries left in the world: North Korea, Mainland China, Cuba, Vietnam, Laos.

And yet, the US seems quite happy to engage in partnership with at least one of those:

https://www.state.gov/the-united-states-vietnam-relationship...

So communism clearly isn’t the issue.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by semilattice »

ravensfan69 wrote: post #139

I live in Baltimore, in a pretty "good" part of town where most of the young professionals and Hopkins hospital staff live. I know 4 different people who've had cars stolen in the past 24 months. In 3 of these cases the perpetrators were teenagers, and in 2 of these cases they brandished guns. Only one of these thefts were Hyundai/Kia-related, and the thief punched my buddy in the face during the theft. Many others I…

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Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by pedrosorio »

alphanullmeric wrote: post #585
shjake wrote: post #581

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I’m unaware of many places in the EU where it’s socially acceptable to walk into a store take a bunch of stuff and leave without paying and without the staff or the police doing anything about it…

I mean that many europeans do not believe in the right for a victim to defend their property, ie. if they get away they get away, whereas a robber’s choices in America when the victim is armed are to comply or be forced to. And if they are caught, EU police will stick them in a cosy waterfront prison to play with iPads and eat Michelin star food, probably costing the victim more in taxes then whatever was being stole…

Tell us more about this “EU police”.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by pedrosorio »

shuckles wrote: post #443
vkou wrote: post #208

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Please provide a citation for the insane claim that career criminals are a major voting block sufficient to consistently swing elections.

You don’t have to be a major voting block to be a consistently consequential swing vote. California is a major voting block but its interests are rarely persuasive in federal politics because it’s never a swing vote in elections.

Logical nitpick: you argued “A does not imply B”, by providing an example of (not A, B). You need (A, not B) to make that argument.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by [deleted] »

Convolutional wrote: post #185

I should point out to those not from the US that this is how Americans view the US. There is a lot of crime, the government and NGOs are on the side of the criminals etc. It is up voted to the top as well, with agreement in the replies, this is how Americans view the US. The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people, but the view obviously is the incarceration ra…

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Post by brickteacup »

throwawaaarrgh wrote: post #552
strix_varius wrote: post #527

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"You stole a deadly vehicle and put people's lives in danger with it. Multiple times. You will be tried as an adult and the minimum sentence is 5 years." Why is this not the obvious solution? (not as if you could single-handedly enact it, of course, but why isn't the city's leadership doing so?)

This used to be the "solution", except all it did was act as a gladiator academy that turned out more hardened criminals after 5 years. Do that every year and every year you are just working a machine to create crime. Turns out that just putting people in jail doesn't make society safer.

Just give violent criminals exponentially increasing sentences for each conviction. Then they'll only get a handful of chances to reoffend in their lifetime

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by rini17 »

giantg2 wrote: post #630
rini17 wrote: post #599

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You imply that if you were the victim, watching such byzantine process to recover mere hundreds of dollars would feel satisfying to you?

No, but the idea that there are disincentives for others to make me a repeat victim is nice. "mere hundreds of dollars" This is incredibly insensitive. That's a lot of money to lose to many people.

It also results in a disincentives for all parties involved to invest all the time and effort. You could either convince everyone that "don't be insensitive it's a lot of money for them", or you could try to make the process easier.

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Post by HillRat »

lesuorac wrote: post #324
inconceivable wrote: post #147

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this is also seemingly the strategy for anti-gun manufacturer efforts. so far they don't seem to be successful.

Can you clarify? Afaik, lawsuits again gun manufacturers are actually successful [1]. [1]: https://apnews.com/article/sandy-hook-school-shooting-reming...

Thanks to tort carveouts in the PLCAA, liability suits against firearms manufacturers have additional hurdles to overcome; the Remington settlement was surprising because the plaintiffs would have had a hard time prevailing at trial. It’s likely that Remington (which settled without admitting fault), didn’t want to run the risk of sympathetic plaintiffs managing to kick a state-level hole in their otherwise ironclad federal protection against product liability suits.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by giantg2 »

rini17 wrote: post #647
giantg2 wrote: post #630

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No, but the idea that there are disincentives for others to make me a repeat victim is nice. "mere hundreds of dollars" This is incredibly insensitive. That's a lot of money to lose to many people.

It also results in a disincentives for all parties involved to invest all the time and effort. You could either convince everyone that "don't be insensitive it's a lot of money for them", or you could try to make the process easier.

That's not what was suggested. The suggestion was to simply not prosecute a theft of about $900.

Re: Baltimore sues Hyundai, Kia over spike in car thefts

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Post by porkbeer »

pedrosorio wrote: post #640
Bran_son wrote: post #574

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> The US incarcerates more people than China, despite China having more than four times as many people Homicide and incarceration rates per 100k people: homicide | incarceration | incarceration/homicide USA 6.4 | 505 | 79 China 0.5 | 119 | 238 Norway 0.6 | 55 | 92 In other words, China incarcerates 3x as many people per homicide as the USA, and the USA homicide rate is 12.8x that of China. Homicide is used instead of…

To be fair, killing people is a lot easier in the USA…

Is it really?
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