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‘Nearshoring’ Push Is Fueling Tech Job Demand in Latin America

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Post by raphar »

ldec wrote: post #12

Hi, Lachlan de Crespigny co-founder of Revelo here (my cofounder is quoted in the article). This is absolutely a trend and I really believe it is a massive benefit for the US and for Latin America - more innovation in the US and more good quality jobs in Latam. Once your team is remote, as long as the developers are technically strong, speak English, and work in your timezone, why do you care at all where the person…

In the last two years hundreds of nearshoring companies have appeared in the region recruiting devs. I am based in Buenos Aires so I can say that the number is really large. What do I have look in such companies to choose it as an employer? What advantage does Revelo offer over the rest?

PD: of course I saw Revelo ads.

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Post by rhaway84773 »

908B64B197 wrote: post #111
EMM_386 wrote: post #90

I am a lead on a project that uses a 'nearshore' team to augment a very small team of very senior devs. 20+ years each respectively. That decision was made above me, but has turned out well. Code quality is good and the pay should cause concern US developers. This is an enterprise system with an Angular 15 front-end. Just the front-end is complex enough that it requires strong understanding of how to write proper Ang…

> Code quality is good and the pay should cause concern US developers. > I look at some of the salaries for similar front-end work in SV/SF and it is so out of line compared to this I don't know what to say. "High cost of living" can be discussed all day, but then companies can just hire someone who isn't in a high cost of living area who can do the same thing. For a lot less. The devs you hired know about this. Now,…

Why exactly would anyone move physically when everyone is insisting remote work is as good and no one is collocated anymore?

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Post by no_wizard »

carlosjobim wrote: post #104
geewee wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The hire-slow, fire-fast paradigm might be an employers dream, but it is _terrible_ for employees. In the worst-case situation you end up quitting your job and maybe even moving to be let go with little warning? That's rough. I think if the employer wants to fire someone, they _should_ be paying for severance.

For good workers it is better, as it is easier to get hired and you won't have to pick up a bunch of slack for useless colleagues who are impossible to fire. And if you are fired it's easy to find a new job. Hard firing is only good for employees who don't deliver.

Stronger protections help good workers too, such that it eliminates some risk in changing jobs, for example, to take on new opportunities that may be really exciting. It also adds some nominal value to tenure at a job (IE, there is a known ahead of time amount of severance you can expect if things do go sideways for reasons beyond your control, like in a merger)

The assertion that it only helps employees who don't deliver is not accounting for any variance factors that may not be obvious immediately.

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Post by NickC25 »

mikeryan wrote: post #34
local_crmdgeon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The skill isn't even an issue - you just hire them for the right roles. Having the same definition of "no" as Americans is huge. Indians have a really tough time saying something isn't going well, or that we shouldn't do a project, for cultural reasons. That's great! Culture is great. For work though, something closer to the culture of the outsourcer makes it a lot easier to deal with. Flights are also so muc…

Mexico is going to need to change their labor laws if they want a big piece of this pie. I’ve had a nearshore team in Mexico for four years the people are great for all the reasons mentioned. The gap, however is costs. We’re used to “at-will” employment in the states are used to a “Hire slow, fire fast” paradigm. In MX the cost to fire a full time employee is 3 months severance (regardless of seniority) plus 20 days…

I actually like Mexico's labor laws. I particularly like their stance on hiring illegal labor, which is IIRC one of, if not the, biggest economic crimes one can commit in the country. It amounts to economic treason, because unlike the US, Mexico realizes that an economy doesn't exist in a bubble, and that communities and economies are intertwined. If you avoid hiring your neighbor to hire some illegal immigrant so you can save a few pesos, don't be surprised if your neighbor turns to desperate measures in order to have enough money to feed their family.

More developed countries could, and should, learn a thing or two from that.

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Post by TremendousJudge »

mikeryan wrote: post #103
ye-olde-sysrq wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yeah, TIL Mexico is so pro-Labor. It's disgusting to see "we have to pay 6 months severance to chuck out someone who spent half a decade of their lives with us!" said unironically, even on this board.

Let me clarify the point. I don’t have an issue with the severance for staff I’ve had to let go for as layoffs due to economic conditions of the company. I’ve made those severance payments without issue. My issue is more with letting go of people for performance reasons. Hiring someone for 2 months and finding out they are under performing still requires the severance pay. You can fight this with the labor board but…

From the point of view of the worker, it's the same thing -- you were employed with the expectation of stability, now you're getting fired and have to find another job before your family ends up on the street. It's a very vulnerable position to be as a worker, which is why in many countries they have the right to severance pay.

Anyway, it's common (here in Uruguay at least) for contracts to include a 3 month "test period" clause where the company can fire you without paying severance, to prepare for that exact situation. Don't you do that? It's reasonable enough to me.

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Post by danielrpa »

selimthegrim wrote: post #22
chb wrote: post #20

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Neither does Texas

Louisiana is more fun

My wife's family is from Louisiana. I love visiting, the people are very warm and the food is great. But after 3 days I want to go back to Atlanta. Louisiana is a terrible place to live, unfortunately.

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Post by jjk166 »

mikeryan wrote: post #34
local_crmdgeon wrote: post #6

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Agreed. The skill isn't even an issue - you just hire them for the right roles. Having the same definition of "no" as Americans is huge. Indians have a really tough time saying something isn't going well, or that we shouldn't do a project, for cultural reasons. That's great! Culture is great. For work though, something closer to the culture of the outsourcer makes it a lot easier to deal with. Flights are also so muc…

Mexico is going to need to change their labor laws if they want a big piece of this pie. I’ve had a nearshore team in Mexico for four years the people are great for all the reasons mentioned. The gap, however is costs. We’re used to “at-will” employment in the states are used to a “Hire slow, fire fast” paradigm. In MX the cost to fire a full time employee is 3 months severance (regardless of seniority) plus 20 days…

You may need to pay a few months of salary, but how much is that really compared to paying someone working in the US? A normal severance package for someone in the US who has worked for 3-4 years at a company will be 1-2 months of salary, which is probably more than 6 months worth of Mexican salary. And that's to say nothing of all the money you saved over those 3-4 years. Seems like a small cost of doing business.

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Post by Ajedi32 »

Apocryphon wrote: post #93
Ajedi32 wrote: post #83

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Why so many red flags on the State Department website then? Are you saying they're just wrong? https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...

There are six states with red flags, the rest are cautionary advisories.

Yeah, but compare that to, for example, our other neighbor Canada: https://travel.state.gov/content/travel/en/traveladvisories/...
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