Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by IAmGraydon » Tue, May 09, 2023, 10:44 PM UTC

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I've been writing and recording music for 25 years. I wouldn't do it on an iPad if the app paid me. If there was ever a job that requires a mouse and multiple screens even more than coding and design, it's audio engineering. Try editing a piano roll with thousands of MIDI notes, adjusting thousands of automation points and fine tuning EQ settings on a touchscreen. The experience is terrible, and no software can fix t…

As a long time electronic music producer, I make sure once installed my primary software is never updated as a rule[0]. My flow doesn’t make bouncing everything to audio feasible and there is nothing worse than opening a project you have worked on for a few months to find that it sounds… different. Counter-intuitively, learning to predict and deal with crashes and working around known bugs on the fly is way easier th…

Agree. What's your primary DAW? Ableton here.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by IAmGraydon » Tue, May 09, 2023, 10:46 PM UTC

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IAmGraydon wrote: post #379

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I've been writing and recording music for 25 years. I wouldn't do it on an iPad if the app paid me. If there was ever a job that requires a mouse and multiple screens even more than coding and design, it's audio engineering. Try editing a piano roll with thousands of MIDI notes, adjusting thousands of automation points and fine tuning EQ settings on a touchscreen. The experience is terrible, and no software can fix t…

You haven't used Logic pro on the iPad yet. Maybe reserve judgement until you've tried it? I would actually prefer to draw in automation with a touchscreen/apple pencil vs. mouse. And direct manipulation of effect/instrument knobs as well as mixers is good.

You know how you already know that you don't want to eat chocolate pudding with chopsticks? It's kind of like that. Wrong tool for the job.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by o1y32 » Tue, May 09, 2023, 10:48 PM UTC

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I wonder what the fallout will look like if they make Logic on the desktop subscription based. The DAW / audio plugin community at large have resisted subscriptions quite ferociously. And considering how competitive the space is, I could see a lot of people jumping ship based on this alone.

They could offer both like Microsoft does with Office now - and eventually everyone will move over.

Office still offers a permanent license.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jonhohle » Tue, May 09, 2023, 10:57 PM UTC

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irrevocable licenses are pretty different than subscriptions.

They're not much different, they just run on a different time scale. Even if your same application continues to work forever, one of the following will happen: - Complementary software evolves. E.g.: My old photo editor doesn't support new image compression formats - Alternatives become more attractive. E.g.: I paid for a copy of Sublime Text but now I prefer VSCode because of its additional functionality, my old cop…

I have versions of Paint Shop Pro from the 90s that can open JPEG, GIF, PNG, TIFF, etc. files.

I have used versions of After Effects of similar vintage. Premier and AE were doing 4K back then because that’s what Hollywood needed for their productions. Illustrator and Photoshop are mostly functional.

Likewise, my Nikon camera from 2011 doesn’t stop working just because it’s old. The tools in my garage are no less effective because home additive manufacturing exists.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by ksec » Tue, May 09, 2023, 11:20 PM UTC

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It'd be interesting to see them modify their Apple One tiers. Split out Premier to a "Premier home" tier (keeping News+ and Fitness+) and a "Pro" tier at the same price that gives you 4TB of iCloud Drive + Logic and Final Cut instead of the 2TB/News/Fitness option.

Apple needs to at least adjust their iCloud storage tiers to match their phones. The jump from 200GB to 2TB is ridiculous and feels like extortion. The 50GB -> 200GB is also ridiculous because it can't even support a full backup of their base 64GB iPhone.

Your Backup does't include your all of your iOS and App Installation. So a 50GB in most cases should be able to backup a 64GB iPhone unless it is all Photos.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jonhohle » Tue, May 09, 2023, 11:36 PM UTC

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Subscription! Even Apple has fallen. This is really disappointing.

Yup the very first subscription offering from Apple was announced today

Obviously not, but possibly the first software subscription.

They had other near-subscription software in the past (OS X Server), but I don’t recall any distributed software subscriptions from them.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LegitShady » Tue, May 09, 2023, 11:54 PM UTC

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iPad already supported class compliant audio interfaces.

Interesting fact, although it also doesn't provide any information about latency.

When I have a bit of time later this evening I'll plug my presonus into the my ipad and see if any of the daws I have on there can measure it. It's not an m1 ipad though - 2018 pro.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by simondotau » Wed, May 10, 2023, 12:32 AM UTC

Kognito wrote: post #56

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Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

Interesting change, I do wonder if the Mac apps will follow suit.

As someone who uses these professional apps, maybe two or three times a year, the subscription prices would be an absolute blessing. The critical point is that there should be no reason for Apple to sunset the existing price. Surely they can do both. Offer a perpetual license to anyone who wants it. Offer a subscription price to anyone who wants it.

That said, a dual pricing model can get unstuck depending on the future development path of the app. Does the perpetual license include the next major version? What is the price of a major version upgrade? How does that compare to the value of the subscription price?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by oneplane » Wed, May 10, 2023, 1:02 AM UTC

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That technical method isn't the only way to implement this business method, and a number of existing apps are doing this quite successfully already. So this both already exists, and works. As for 'side loading', it's somewhat possible, but even if it was available by default it would be messy for most customers -- they already have trouble with what's currently available. Perhaps some sort of in-app store would make…

The other two ways I've seen are committing to lifetime bugfixes but maintaining a feature lock based on last license renewal or releasing a separate app per release. The first is actually a different model but if you're alright with it from the developer side then it's very similar from the user's perspective. The second is either different or the same depending on how it's implemented. 2a is commit to upgrading the…

I think there is yet another option we both didn't state, but an option that is also in use to this day. Some apps simply have multiple entries in the current AppStore model, and the version you currently have is very much separate from a possible 'future' upgrade. I'm not sure how they handle major upgrades on the back-end (perhaps tied to an in-app purchase or transferable purchase based on some sort of online account?), but this is a more 'hard' distinction between actual versions.

I suspect that this model has some downsides considering good security practise would prevent the apps from sharing their namespace contents. And for end-users they might end with "MyCoolApp 1" at first, but then "MyCoolApp 2, MyCoolApp 3, MyCoolApp 4" unless they delete the old one. I think some app vendors even use the year as the release distinction but in true software engineering fashion those years and the actual release date tend to be out-of-sync (just like MS Office).

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by ezfe » Wed, May 10, 2023, 1:05 AM UTC

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iOS devices don't support downloading specific versions of apps, and you cannot sideload. Apple has made this model impossible on iOS.

Not sure how widespread it is, but TapBots and 1Password both released separate apps for their major version updates. The 1Password subscription carried across to the new app, the TapBots one was a new purchase for each app, so there's 2 ways that model has been working on iOS.

Both have stopped doing that because of the confusion it causes