Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad • Hacker News Board

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by Uehreka » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

spacephysics wrote: post #35

nottorp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You like losing access when you cancel the subscription? Or when an older device is cut off from the app store?

As many readers here probably understand from first hand experience, software isn’t a final product (typically). The majority of software requires maintenance and any ongoing feature updates have a continual cost on the company. If they asked for a subscription and said, no more updates after tomorrow, then sure that’s Bs. But especially for something like Final Cut, you’ll get continual updates and feature improveme…

I feel like folks on HN (many of us developers ourselves) give this theory too much credance. Subscription pricing may be necessary to finance continuous development, but that doesn’t mean it will. Many developers (particularly larger corporations like Adobe) have taken advantage of this perception to see how much money they can squeeze out of people while making… fewer updates than their users are paying for (to put it nicely). I’m sure there are indie developers who get away with this too (although I feel less bad about that).

I’m not totally against this way of thinking, but I do think we need to start presenting it as the double-edged issue it currently is, not the fresh perspective it used to be.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by birdyrooster » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

Just when I was thinking about selling my iPad

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by TheTon » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:23 PM UTC

NickC25 wrote: post #28

Neat....although sad that it's via a subscription model, rather than buying the program outright. That said, what's the point of this? Everyone works off laptops already, even people new to A/V production. Especially in the audio world, laptops are just so much more convenient because you can host 3rd party plugins and other stuff like sample libraries. Can't do that on an iPad, can you?

You can, actually. AUv3 plug-ins have been a thing on iOS for years. I have a few I use through GarageBand.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by oger » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:24 PM UTC

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model.

„ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro for iPad and Logic Pro for iPad require iPadOS 16.4. For more information, visit apple.com/final-cut-pro-for-ipad and apple.com/logic-pro-for-ipad.“

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by tgv » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:25 PM UTC

silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

I don't think it's aimed at the same market. I mean: I can run large sample libraries on my MBP, but I don't see that happen any time soon on an iPad. There's not enough disk space, and I don't see the whole NI library eco-system adapt itself to iOS (let alone custom players like EastWest or Spitfire).

But it's a great option for people who've outgrown GarageBand.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by Kognito » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:28 PM UTC

oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

Interesting change, I do wonder if the Mac apps will follow suit.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by crazygringo » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

dmreedy wrote: post #44

spacephysics wrote: post #35

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As many readers here probably understand from first hand experience, software isn’t a final product (typically). The majority of software requires maintenance and any ongoing feature updates have a continual cost on the company. If they asked for a subscription and said, no more updates after tomorrow, then sure that’s Bs. But especially for something like Final Cut, you’ll get continual updates and feature improveme…

I don't think the concern is that the subscription doesn't bring value. Just that it builds no equity. Once the renting agreement ends, you lose all the access you once had, not just access to future things to come. (edit: I don't know if this is actually true of Final Cut Pro's model)

Right, but that's the tradeoff and it's a good tradeoff for many.

If you only need Final Cut Pro for a 2-month project, it's amazing because you'll save so much money.

And any time you need it again, you just resubscribe. You're never losing access permanently, it's just $5 away.

The point is that the flexibility and ongoing updates are a more beneficial tradeoff.

A lot of people (like myself) simply don't care about owning equity in software, so we have eternal access. It's just a tool, and it loses value over time without updates anyways.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by dagmx » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:29 PM UTC

smoldesu wrote: post #50

dagmx wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I guess I should expand why not a laptop, but it boils down to removing lots of little friction points that make ephemeral ideas harder to put down. 1. Touch first is important because your instruments are touch as well. Being able to record my live instruments and not have to switch to a trackpad to move between UI elements seems small, but it really keeps me in the zone. 2. Same point above, but basically being abl…

Even as a paying Bitwig subscriber, I don't get it. My instruments are velocity and aftertouch sensitive. Having a touchscreen interface for these instruments is no better than typing on your keyboard to play notes. And then if you want to plug in hardware, you have to either settle for one thing and no charging or buy a dongle. > being able to switch between my live instrument and an on screen virtual one is a big d…

You don’t need to get it. You do you.

Every time you’ve replied to one of my comments in the past, it’s been very binary in terms of workflows and the discussions always devolve.

So this time I’m leaving it as: I explained why it’s a big deal for me. If you have your own workflows or needs, so be it. But it’s irrelevant to why I like it.

I don’t need velocity for a quick idea for example. I just need to get the idea out as quickly as possible. Besides, you can always connect an external midi keyboard or audio interface to an iPad as well.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by speg » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:30 PM UTC

dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

This captures my use case pretty well. I’m a hobby photographer and use Lightroom on iPad as my only software step.

I’d like to dabble with video. Now I have an easy avenue to do that. If it goes well and I need more, I can move to the full experience on a Mac.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by kotaKat » Tue, May 09, 2023, 2:31 PM UTC

oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

It'd be interesting to see them modify their Apple One tiers.

Split out Premier to a "Premier home" tier (keeping News+ and Fitness+) and a "Pro" tier at the same price that gives you 4TB of iCloud Drive + Logic and Final Cut instead of the 2TB/News/Fitness option.