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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by bombcar »

H1Supreme wrote: post #463
oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

I wonder what the fallout will look like if they make Logic on the desktop subscription based. The DAW / audio plugin community at large have resisted subscriptions quite ferociously. And considering how competitive the space is, I could see a lot of people jumping ship based on this alone.

They could offer both like Microsoft does with Office now - and eventually everyone will move over.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by lostgame »

armchairhacker wrote: post #345

I was about to wish Apple had made Logic Pro free or cheap for students / hobbyists, and a $5/month subscription does that. I've want to get into sound design but not going to drop $1000s on software. Though I wish they'd do something like Kilohearts, where subscribing for enough time basically gives you a perpetual license ( https://kilohearts.com/products/kilohearts_subscription#rewa... ). It's good because if I pi…

To be fair - GarageBand is free, and while it’s feature set is obviously lethargic in comparison to Logic’s, I do like their philosophy of having kind of a free consumer and education version vs. a professional version.

As a teenager I very successfully followed the path of using iMovie and GarageBand for a couple years until eventually I outgrew the feature set and wanted more.

At the time; they sold what was called ‘Final Cut Express’ and ‘Logic Express’, which were essentially 95% feature complete versions of the software at a significantly reduced price aimed at the education and hobbyist market. It was a perfect little balance between affordability and power.

Best of all, you could, and still can; open up iMovie projects in Final Cut and GarageBand projects in Logic - allowing you to actually flex more power if you need it in existing projects.

This workflow was so fantastic, and I actually still use it sometimes when I’ve got musical ideas on the go and want to jot them down quickly with GarageBand on my iOS device.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LegitShady »

earthnail wrote: post #346

Holy f**… how on earth will any other DAW vendor compete with that price? Logic already was crazy cheap, but now the price really just seems to be to boost iPad sales. It’s amazing what you get for $5/month here. But I’m a bit worried about innovation if everyone gets used to these prices.

Reaper already competes at that price, just not on iOS.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by TheKarateKid »

kotaKat wrote: post #60
oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

It'd be interesting to see them modify their Apple One tiers. Split out Premier to a "Premier home" tier (keeping News+ and Fitness+) and a "Pro" tier at the same price that gives you 4TB of iCloud Drive + Logic and Final Cut instead of the 2TB/News/Fitness option.

Apple needs to at least adjust their iCloud storage tiers to match their phones. The jump from 200GB to 2TB is ridiculous and feels like extortion. The 50GB -> 200GB is also ridiculous because it can't even support a full backup of their base 64GB iPhone.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by lostgame »

DonaldPShimoda wrote: post #291
lostgame wrote: post #216

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Wow. I’ve seriously actually never heard that once in 15+ years of being a Mac developer and using them full time. I’ve never actually heard anyone, in real life; or offline, recommend, suggest; or even say one single positive thing about AirDrop essentially since its release. It’s easily the most unreliable piece of software integrated into the MacOS/iOS platform, just a feature that has been so fundamentally broken…

I feel like you must have a specific use case for which AirDrop fails more often. I use AirDrop all the time for various things, and it mostly works as expected. It almost always works correctly when it's transferring between two of my own devices; the only issue I think I regularly encounter is when airdropping to another person's device. But I do not AirDrop particularly large files, so perhaps something goes wrong…

It’s certainly not been a specific use case over 10 or so years, I mean…in any given scenario; small files, big files, any given file type, on any given network configuration, with any combination of MacOS or iPadOS/iOS devices, I feel like I have a higher probability of making a dunk from a 3-pointer line than getting AirDrop to work; and that’s been the general consensus I’ve gotten from any fellow developers I’ve actually discussed it with.

If there was any consistent behaviour I could use to get it to either misfire or actually work; I’d love to have seen it, but every major MacOS revision I give it another try, only to inevitably just facepalm and use a USB key or something like DropBox.

It’s a shame, I honestly think it should be a fairly simple technology to implement and make work well, but it’s clearly just…not.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by LegitShady »

recursive wrote: post #96

Allegedly this supports audio interfaces, so I presume it's supposed to able to be used for recording. What kind of latency can be achieved by ipad hardware? This announcement is mysteriously quiet about that.

iPad already supported class compliant audio interfaces.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by TheKarateKid »

grishka wrote: post #383
Toutouxc wrote: post #354

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How is that strange? What about maintenance and regular updates?

What happened with people using one single version of something for 10 years? If there's a major update, it's a separate product that's a paid upgrade. We've had that figured out since the 90s. And quality software doesn't need maintenance.

FCP and Logic are highly optimized for Apple's CPU and GPUs. They fully utilize all cores and operate in a way that won't bring the general OS to a grinding halt if you're encoding in the background. Additionally, Apple updates these to provide all the latest video and audio encoding available on their devices.

Doing all of this requires significant engineering and licensing (Dolby) that comes at a cost.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by MuffinFlavored »

wahnfrieden wrote: post #444
MuffinFlavored wrote: post #382

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> Adobe Photoshop features from 10 years ago is all I need for my use case Cool. Who cares? Are you Adobe's target customer base? https://www.adobe.com/products/photoshop/compare-plans.html No, you're not.

OP argues for customer experience, you argue for someone else's business

OP is misrepresenting fringe usecases that the market has evolved from/moved past

I used to download 800mb Photoshop binaries

Now you visit it in a browser.

Which is better "customer experience"?

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by Maursault »

koiueo wrote: post #446
Maursault wrote: post #260

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> Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. I think the problem here that most won't realize is that they'll have no idea what you're listening to and so will be mixing audio in the dark, so to speak. Professionals will check headphone mixes, but generally won't mix with headphones certainly not bluetooth headphones. I suppose there may exist such a thing as powered Bluetooth monitors, but again, the wire…

> abilities of iPad and USB-C I use iPad with RME ADI DAC-2 and I can't think of a single issue.

> I use iPad with RME ADI DAC-2 and I can't think of a single issue.

I hope I missed a joke. That is a high end DAC that retails for $1300, and could very well be the best DAC available for less $1500. That'll do nicely. I'd prefer Lavry Engineering's discontinued DA11 (and AD11), but it's somewhat of a judgement call at that level.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by George83728 »

coldtea wrote: post #169
carlosjobim wrote: post #72

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People are broke and too undisciplined to save up even a little money, so normal software prices look huge in their eyes. That's why subscriptions and splitting a purchase is coming to everything now. It won't take long before the cashier in your local supermarket will ask you if you want to pay everything at once or divide after ringing up your stuff.

> People are broke and too undisciplined to save up even a little money, so normal software prices look huge in their eyes. That's why subscriptions and splitting a purchase is coming to everything now. Or people don't want to have to continuously pay to have access to some latest version, and prefer to update when they feel like it and need some new feature, not always. Producers and video editors especially hate to…

> As for subscriptions, they have made the total yearly cost for getting a product much higher in many cases (doubled it in the case of some software), and made you lose your software any time you have to prioritize something else over its payment, like a medical emergency...

That's how "rent-to-own" furniture works too. It exploits poor people for whom the price tag seems prohibitive but the monthly payments look deceptively cheap.

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