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Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by 112233 »

NickC25 wrote: post #28

Neat....although sad that it's via a subscription model, rather than buying the program outright. That said, what's the point of this? Everyone works off laptops already, even people new to A/V production. Especially in the audio world, laptops are just so much more convenient because you can host 3rd party plugins and other stuff like sample libraries. Can't do that on an iPad, can you?

Well, yes you can, and this move hopefully will relax whatever limits are on the AUv3 hosts now. You already have FabFilter, Klevgrand and many more, Modartt has anounced Pianoteq for iOS, so plugin situation is good (and prices are way lower than on desktop). AUv3s such as Pure Synth or AudioLayer already support streaming sample libraries from external SSDs. So that situation is not bad either. Of course there is no Kontakt, Serum, Melodyne or RX, but until now there was no serious DAW either (Cubasis and Auria Pro lack a lot compared to Logic or Bitwig)

Actually having equivalent tools on iPad and Macbook, i'd pick ipad for two reasons: stability (newer MacOS versions are not fantastic) and touchscreen (can't map everything)

Now, if only Apple would finally make iDAM full duplex, so that it would be possible to use either ipad or mac as a plugin host.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by carlosjobim »

oger wrote: post #54

Interesting: Apple is moving their apps to a subscription model. „ Pricing and Availability Starting Tuesday, May 23, Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro for iPad will each be available on the App Store for $4.99 (US) per month or $49 (US) per year with a one-month free trial.8 Final Cut Pro is compatible with M1 chip iPad models or later, and Logic Pro will be available on A12 Bionic chip iPad models or later. Final Cut Pro…

People are broke and too undisciplined to save up even a little money, so normal software prices look huge in their eyes. That's why subscriptions and splitting a purchase is coming to everything now. It won't take long before the cashier in your local supermarket will ask you if you want to pay everything at once or divide after ringing up your stuff.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by nottorp »

crazygringo wrote: post #57
dmreedy wrote: post #44

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't think the concern is that the subscription doesn't bring value. Just that it builds no equity. Once the renting agreement ends, you lose all the access you once had, not just access to future things to come. (edit: I don't know if this is actually true of Final Cut Pro's model)

Right, but that's the tradeoff and it's a good tradeoff for many. If you only need Final Cut Pro for a 2-month project, it's amazing because you'll save so much money. And any time you need it again, you just resubscribe. You're never losing access permanently, it's just $5 away. The point is that the flexibility and ongoing updates are a more beneficial tradeoff. A lot of people (like myself) simply don't care about…

> It's just a tool, and it loses value over time without updates anyways.

Why? It will continue to do exactly the same thing. If that thing had no value to you why are you getting it?

Edit:

> Because the world moves forward. Something that might have worked well 5 years ago but has had no updates or improvements to keep up with competition is ultimately not as useful as it once was.

Not everything is a javascript library though.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by jahnu »

eurekin wrote: post #65
jahnu wrote: post #49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.

Please consider supporting multi touch, where it makes sense

We absolutely do already :D

https://gs-dsp.com/

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by bartread »

dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

GarageBand was always pretty decent on iPad back in the day, at least as a scratchpad for ideas. But yes, this is exciting. I'd quite like to see something like Ableton or Bitwig make its way onto iPad as well.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by andybak »

jahnu wrote: post #49
dagmx wrote: post #11

Having a full DAW on the go is a killer feature imho. The promise has been there since stuff like 8tracks on the iPhone 3G, and various Audio Units already on iOS. But I’ve always found the workflow very limiting or clunky. (Edit: I’m a Logic Pro user on macOS so my comments reflect getting things into that specifically) The divide from putting down an idea when it hits, to working it into something, has always been…

As developers of professional audio plugins this is very exciting for us. The horsepower is there and the touch interface allows for some really cool possibilities. We already enjoy using AUM and Cubasis, but will be very interested to see if support for pro hardware improves now on iPad.

I've got a Steam Deck and I've been curious about using that as a music composition tool. The controls offer some interesting possibilities as performance inputs.

The problem is that all Windows or Linux music apps tend to presume a large monitor and a mouse and keyboard. I've not found anything terribly usable.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by m3kw9 »

silveira wrote: post #14

Subscription. I'm out. I already paid for these softwares on Mac and I don't get even a discount in the price. I was expecting some kind of upgrade option.

Why would you want to use iPad version if you already using it for Mac? It’s a big pain due to the file system and storage limitations. The ipad version is aimed more at non professional use but still giving them professional features. Would never touch ipad version, totally different use case. You won’t see Hollywood types saying I’m gonna use this because, because it’s touch screen

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by Applejinx »

tigeroil wrote: post #68
Kognito wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Interesting change, I do wonder if the Mac apps will follow suit.

My guess, based on the fact that Logic Pro and FCP, in the nicest way I can say this, haven't had any meaningful core upgrades in a while, is that they're planning some fairly major updates on macOS for both and the plan is to release them as new, subscription-only versions later this year.

Glad I moved to Reaper, then.

Mind you, I'm still running Final Cut for video making. Hope I don't have to bail on that too. I'll keep running the version I have, but much like I don't use Adobe at all, I won't run such a program if I have to rent it.

Exception, XCode :D most certainly have to pay yearly for that! But I view it as paying for authorization as an Apple dev, not so much as 'for the app itself'.

Re: Apple brings Final Cut Pro and Logic Pro to iPad

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Post by nottorp »

zuppy wrote: post #24
nottorp wrote: post #21

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You like losing access when you cancel the subscription? Or when an older device is cut off from the app store?

what older device is cut off from the app store? you get to keep that version that you have and the subscription will go on.

You can see into the future?
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