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I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by capableweb »

parasti wrote: post #243
capableweb wrote: post #226

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Bluesky just existed for a short while so far, it's to be expected. What would be more interesting would be to compare Mastodon with bluesky when Mastodon was as old as bluesky is now. Is this something someone can figure out?

Twitter was not going up in flames when Mastodon came out, so that wouldn't make for a fair comparison.

The two initial waves of migrations from Twitter to Mastodon absolutely happened when "shit it the fan" in the Twitter world, just like now with Bluesky.

And if that's not a fair comparison, and neither is comparing them straight up by data right now, how could be fairly compare them then?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by sidibe »

afguoibiobio wrote: post #245
0xy wrote: post #207

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>Last time Jack Dorsey was in charge of Twitter, they did essentially nothing about CSAM. I am going to assume you have no evidence Twitter's new management is more active in combating child porn. You can, I'm sure, find evidence of them claiming they're taking a stand, but what they've actually done is gut the safety and moderation teams. The rise of hateful speech, on the other hand, is quite clear. We have seen a…

> And, let me guess, next you'll say there's no way such you're racist because these statistics show Asian and Jewish people have higher IQ than white people.

I hope you didn't cheat and look at the sibling comment :P, but indeed it is predictable.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by ndriscoll »

mort96 wrote: post #246
Gigachad wrote: post #232

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That's irrelevant, automated blocking is a different discussion. This is about if it matters that the content hit your server or client and then was deleted because you had the user blocked, or if it's better to have a centralized system where the blocked users messages never make it to your client. From the users perspective I can't really see any difference here.

And from a users's perspective, spam makes it through and legit messages end up in spam and the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue. Those are all user facing issues. Your ideas for client-side blocking in a federated system may be okay, I don't know. I'm objecting to the "Email has dealt with the spam issue mostly" thing; it absolutely has not.

> the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue

Do the big email providers even attempt to combat spam? I got an email from booking.com yesterday that literally contains the text "This message is an advertisement." From what I can tell, Gmail hasn't maintained their spam filters in at least a decade.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by sbarre »

chrsw wrote: post #235

QRD on the foundation of all this? Bluesky is a company that built a social media network on top of their proprietary "@" (at) protocol?

AT Protocol is open source, so not proprietary.

My understanding is that Bluesky as a company is building a client experience, and funding the development of the protocol, but the long term vision is for open source and federation, so no central controlling entity.

In fact there are already several other open source competing clients that can be used with the private beta, and Bluesky (currently) has no issue with this.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by afguoibiobio »

sidibe wrote: post #252
afguoibiobio wrote: post #245

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Last time Jack Dorsey was in charge of Twitter, they did essentially nothing about CSAM. I am going to assume you have no evidence Twitter's new management is more active in combating child porn. You can, I'm sure, find evidence of them claiming they're taking a stand, but what they've actually done is gut the safety and moderation teams. The rise of hateful speech, on the other hand, is quite clear. We have seen a…

> And, let me guess, next you'll say there's no way such you're racist because these statistics show Asian and Jewish people have higher IQ than white people. I hope you didn't cheat and look at the sibling comment :P, but indeed it is predictable.

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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by sbarre »

navanchauhan wrote: post #18
aurelius83 wrote: post #3

I’d love for you to validate the users against the list of verified twitter 1.0 users and see what percentage migrated over.

Another metric I would be interested in looking is verified skeeters (people with a custom root domain) vs verified Twitter users and separate Twitter Blue subscribers (with < 1 million followers)

Someone did post that stat last week (beta users who verified via domain) and if I recall it was under 10%?

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by SeanAnderson »

pabs3 wrote: post #211
SeanAnderson wrote: post #22

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

Pidgin still interfaces with everything, including walled gardens like Facebook :) https://pidgin.im/plugins/

Holy moly, you just made my day. I will have to give it a shot. I thought that once all the walled gardens developed their own protocols that it was dead in the water!

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by mulmen »

dawidpotocki wrote: post #175
mulmen wrote: post #139

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Federation is great when properly applied. Email is an example of federation done right. But federated social media is a mistake. Not because it is federated, but because all social media is a mistake.

As someone that self hosts email, hell no. SMTP by itself has no authentication and we had to add crap on top of it like SPF, DKIM, DMARC. Don't have it? Oops, sorry, to spam it goes. Oh and don't forget about a reverse DNS record for your IP address with a correct domain, otherwise some mail servers will deny you. Want other mailservers to send you emails via TLS? Well, there is DANE, but that uses DNSSEC so Gmail d…

I pay Fastmail to deal with the actual hosting but I own my domain so I can go to any other provider if I want. I have never had trouble sending or receiving email. Seems to be working pretty well.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by mulmen »

tssva wrote: post #143
mulmen wrote: post #139

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Federation is great when properly applied. Email is an example of federation done right. But federated social media is a mistake. Not because it is federated, but because all social media is a mistake.

> Email is an example of federation done right. That's where you lost me.

Despite their best efforts neither Microsoft nor Google has managed to fully embrace or extinguish email. I’d say it is working very well.
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