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Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by floor_ »

SeanAnderson wrote: post #22

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

Better to be critical of a product in beta than have toxic positivity about it so things can be fixed.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by ChrisMarshallNY »

ChrisMarshallNY wrote: post #214
eat_veggies wrote: post #171

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The standard solution for dating apps is to snap the location to the nearest x kilometer grid point, so that you are losing information rather than simply adding noise https://robertheaton.com/2018/07/09/how-tinder-keeps-your-lo...

Thanks for that! Reading it, I'm not so sure it's "standard," as it seems Tinder-specific, but they have done their homework. I'll have to see what I can do to incorporate something like that.

Just an update: I did a 1Km "snap" to the original location (I basically apply a weighted round to the initial ll), and apply the "fuzz" over that.

I'm sure a dedicated geek could still figure out how to hack it, but our target demographic, despite clamoring for privacy, tends to do Facebook "checkins" all the time.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by parasti »

capableweb wrote: post #226
8organicbits wrote: post #199

That's so much smaller than I expected. Mastodon stats claim 1.1B posts [1]. Both are growing fast, but I'm surprised by that gap. [1] https://the-federation.info/

Bluesky just existed for a short while so far, it's to be expected. What would be more interesting would be to compare Mastodon with bluesky when Mastodon was as old as bluesky is now. Is this something someone can figure out?

Twitter was not going up in flames when Mastodon came out, so that wouldn't make for a fair comparison.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by bombcar »

criddell wrote: post #231
bombcar wrote: post #28

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All invite-only early-access things that get hot are like it; once they go to general availability they go to shit, it seems.

Maybe it should stay invite-only? I’m not on and am waiting for an invite, but if opening the gates means it ends up being a place I don’t want to be, what’s the point?

Hopefully federation can allow them to have various clones that are also invite only and still interoperate; that might be the best of both worlds.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by afguoibiobio »

0xy wrote: post #207
mushbino wrote: post #198

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A worse Twitter? The amount of blatant racism, bigotry, and calls for violence have exploded in the past couple of months. These people all buy blue checks so they get amplified. It's insane. My bluesky invite cannot come soon enough.

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>Last time Jack Dorsey was in charge of Twitter, they did essentially nothing about CSAM.

I am going to assume you have no evidence Twitter's new management is more active in combating child porn. You can, I'm sure, find evidence of them claiming they're taking a stand, but what they've actually done is gut the safety and moderation teams.

The rise of hateful speech, on the other hand, is quite clear. We have seen a massive, sustained uptick in racist posts since the site was taken over. We see an increase in accounts associated with terrorists organizations like ISIS, many of them "verified" and impersonating famous people. We have seen an increase in postings from QAnon followers, many with verified accounts. We have seen and measured increases in violent speech across the board. I would classify all these things as "actual terrible stuff", as would any decent person.

https://www.nytimes.com/2022/12/02/technology/twitter-hate-s...

Twitter is every bit as censored as it ever has been. It regularly bans people for criticizing Twitter policy; blocks, throttles, and downranks competitors; downranks left-wing organizations and news sources; and (pathetically) requires Felon's posts to always be ranked highly. Twitter is still censored, just by a manchild dictator rather than the hard work of fallible people.

https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/archive/2023/04/elon-musk-...

>I presume you would call IQ statistics "racism"

Not necessarily, but most likely. I have never met a person in the wild who wanted to talk about IQ statistics without using them as a pseudo-scientific fig leaf to justify genocide. I've been on the Internet; I've played this game.

And, let me guess, next you'll say there's no way such you're racist because these statistics show Asian and Jewish people have higher IQ than white people.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by mort96 »

Gigachad wrote: post #232
mort96 wrote: post #215

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Email has not solved the spam issue. I regularly get obvious spam email in my inbox, and legit mail still goes in the junk folder from time to time – with gmail. Plus, the automated spam filtering systems make it practically impossible to host your own e-mail, and any self-hosted email will have even worse issues with inbound spam than gmail does. Spam is at the core of what makes email a terrible example of a federa…

That's irrelevant, automated blocking is a different discussion. This is about if it matters that the content hit your server or client and then was deleted because you had the user blocked, or if it's better to have a centralized system where the blocked users messages never make it to your client. From the users perspective I can't really see any difference here.

And from a users's perspective, spam makes it through and legit messages end up in spam and the whole email system is more or less centralised due to attempts at combatting the issue. Those are all user facing issues.

Your ideas for client-side blocking in a federated system may be okay, I don't know. I'm objecting to the "Email has dealt with the spam issue mostly" thing; it absolutely has not.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by specialist »

VancouverMan wrote: post #80
btown wrote: post #46

Given that Bluesky makes it this easy to download data, it's quite alarming that the graph of who blocks & mutes who is fully public and easy to extract into a database: https://atproto.com/lexicons/app-bsky-graph#appbskygraphgetb... On Twitter, blocking a toxic user does not notify them - while they can query the block status of one profile at a time, they can never get a full list of people who block them. But it w…

Maybe it'd be better to just not have any blocking/muting built into such a system at all. If User A doesn't want to see posts from User B, that's fine. User A can have his client filter them out locally, prior to when they'd otherwise be displayed. Nobody else has to know this is happening. I don't think that User A should be permitted to prevent User B from replying to User A's posts, which in turn prevents User C…

All the recommender and curation features should be done by the client, on the client.

We had offline mail readers for BBS, CompuServe, BIX, etc.

One feature I truly miss is the TWIT filter. I could block u/VancouverMan and you'd be none the wiser.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by specialist »

areoform wrote: post #114
bnewbold wrote: post #47

some quick thoughts/notes (I am on the bluesky team, but this isn't an official policy statement): - content on bluesky is public, but we have not set expectations/comms around that well yet, and this dump may be a surprise to some existing accounts. where exactly bluesky falls on the spectrum from "congressional register (immutable)" to "public web" to "public IRC or discord room" to "private signal group" is still…

As a team member, one request that I do have is that don't make Clubhouse's mistake. Someone once told me that Clubhouse was like a house party, where your behavior reflected on who invited you. So it kept the initial community quality high. The minute Clubhouse removed that invite-only policy, the community died very quickly and everything was replaced by the worst sludge imaginable. I think you should keep the invi…

> where your behavior reflected on who invited you

Ages ago, I suggested that slashdot (or successor) adopt a mafia-style system of vouching. So that members police their own.

I invite you to slashdot, so your reputation (karma, whatever) impacts my own. In a way, you become my responsibility. To protect my own rep, I may have to kick you off the system.

If you in turn invite others, they also factor into my rep. Kicking you off would also kick off all your invites. And so on.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by DoItToMe81 »

snickerbockers wrote: post #59
SeanAnderson wrote: post #22

I would just like to say that I am excited for Bluesky to exist. It might go poorly, but I'm unwilling to write off weird attempts at innovation before the technology has had a chance to evolve in the wild. I've seen several posts lately that have made me feel like the HN sentiment towards Bluesky is negative. Throwing them under the bus for the domain validation mistake. Hatred at commercialization of a protocol. Qu…

TBH I haven't paid much attention to it, but as somebody who was already using Mastodon as their primary social network for years before Musk took over, I'm not sure I understand what niche BlueSky is even supposed to fill that ActivityPub/Fediverse doesn't already fill. It just seems like a bunch of guys who got ousted from their jobs trying to invent a new commercial social network. And one of the things that needs…

Which Mastodon instances would you recommend? Most of the ones I've seen have a very Twitterish attitude.

Re: I downloaded all 1.6M posts on Bluesky

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Post by chefandy »

jasmer wrote: post #179
chefandy wrote: post #106

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I really like your take and the one to which it responds. Mastodon is super neat and I'd love to see a broadly appealing open-source, non-commercial, decentralized social media network become dominant. However, the sharp decline in active users since the Twitter exodus supports what I've been saying for years: it is simply too much technical resistance for general social media audiences. I find it annoying and I used…

I think the issue is partly technical, but mostly product, in that neither Mastodon nor it's servers are very obvious in usage, and finally its 'too decentralized'. We don't need 'ultra decentralization' aka a different grocery store on every corner, nor do we want one single grocery store in the middle of the city, but rather just 'choice'. Frankly it's like most things, we just want to avoid monopolization. That sa…

The big thing is that there needs to be a path for users who don't care about the geeky shit to have a compelling experience with very little cognitive load at any step of the process. Us humans will gravitate to sub-optimal options if it offers less resistance... There's a reason the top 12 highest grossing US chains are fast food. BlueSky seems to offer a simple centralized service to those folks AND offer federation for folks who want to be more hands-on! I'm down.

As a designer and a long-time software developer, I see a TON of Dunning-Kruger Mt. Stupid comments about interface design, usability and what's reasonable to expect of users. Developers are naturally more willing to spend time futzing with social media technology because a) they have the domain expertise to reason about it comfortably, b) they have a high tolerance for high-touch software and take pride in their willingness to wrangle complicated and difficult interfaces, c) they care about the technical underpinnings, and d) because of all that, the space is likely to be populated by people who share their perspectives and interests.

If you take those things away, what incentive to users have to use the platform? I reckon that a lot of folks in the dev crowd don't naturally excel with the whole theory of mind thing, but if FOSS is going to produce tools useful to non-technologists, they should trust others that do. IMO the FOSS crowd desperately needs to embrace this cultural shift.

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