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Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by bumby »

GoofballJones wrote: post #533
bumby wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might if sugar was able to be consumed for free with virtually unlimited access. I'm not sure it's a very good analogy.

It is free. It LITERALLY is in unlimited access. It's in everything you eat...unless you live in a cave and only eat squirrels and rabbits. Especially in the US where High Fructose Corn Syrup is in nearly every product that's consumed. Pornography is no where near as dangerous as the obesity epidemic in the United States, which costs the citizens and corporations billions and billions of dollars a year on healthcare…

Nobody is claiming obesity isn’t a risk. But it’s an error to equate sugar to the obesity for one. It is also not "literally" unlimited access unless the cost of sugar is zero and that's easily falsifiable. I'm assuming your point is that people can have as much sugar as they want. Two, food is necessary to life but porn is not. That makes controlling food much, much harder. It would be like someone addicted to sex having to walk through a brothel every day to get to work. Sugar is inexpensive (but still not free) and we’re experiencing the bad effects so I’m not sure what you’re pointing out other than as vices get more free and more accessible, the scale shifts towards worse outcomes. Your whole point boils down to whataboutism rather than debating the actual points.

Lastly, I’m not sure you made any case that pornography is relatively safe.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by bumby »

loeg wrote: post #510
AlecSchueler wrote: post #429

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Extremely inexpensive is infinitely expensive when you're a 13 year old with 2 dollars to your name.

It does not need to be literally the same thing to be a useful point of comparison, which is the nitpick argument bumby was making.

Not nitpicking, I’m just saying a weak analogy doesn’t strengthen your case. Equating sugar to porn misses some of the important aspects of what makes porn potentially dangerous.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by cmh89 »

brightball wrote: post #537
wakannai wrote: post #328

Multiple issues with this. It starts off with arbitrary definitions of what pornography is ( https://le.utah.gov/~2023/bills/static/SB0287.html ): "nipple of the female breast" You can suck on it when you are a baby, but god forbid you ever take a look at it again before you are married. What's wrong with these people? Even public nudity laws differ from city to city (e.g. in California), so clearly, people aren't al…

There’s such a strange dichotomy in these conversations. 1. Porn shouldn’t be available to kids and it’s on the vendors legally to ensure that. 2. Porn should be unrestricted, it’s up to parents to do something about it. What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal? If it’s not a big deal then verifying your age shouldn’t phase y…

>What I can’t understand is if the people in camp 2 are so unashamed of the porn advocacy then why is age verification such a big deal?

When marijuana became legalized in my state, you had to verify your age and they wrote down your ID in a book. It quickly went away because its draconian as shit. I'm not ashamed to buy weed or alcohol, or look at porn, but I still don't want to create a written record every time I do it.

I also generally don't agree with the moral panic that conservatives want to generate about porn. Most kids see porn and have since porn was produced. It's on the parent to, you know, be a parent.

These laws have nothing to do with protecting children and everything to do with social control.

We're talking about a state that imprisoned a women for being topless around her children. These people are dangerous and want to enforce their fringe world view on everyone they can.

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Post by JohnFen »

rbanffy wrote: post #579
JohnFen wrote: post #551

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I never said there was a constitutional issue (I don't think that there is). The difference between showing ID to a clerk and this sort of thing is recordkeeping. A clerk is only checking the DOB on the ID, not keeping a record of your identity[1]. Online age checks keep records. If there were some way of doing an age check without having your identity attached to it or having to expose yourself to some commercial th…

> constitutional issue As a foreigner, it's kind of strange that violent movies (and political propaganda disguised as violent movies) are protected speech and pornography is not.

As a US citizen, I've found that utterly bizarre and borderline insane for my entire life.

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Post by bobmaxup »

George83728 wrote: post #529
JohnFen wrote: post #230

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Well, that's not all the law does. It also strips anonymity and, therefore, privacy.

My beard is gray but the government requires me to show a valid state ID when buying booze, cigs and porno mags at the gas station. If that's not a violation of the Constitution, why should carding people on porno websites be different?

> why should carding people on porno websites be different

Unless you live in a state where they scan your ID for such transactions, those in-person purchases can be effectively anonymous.

Out of curiosity, what state do you live in where gas stations sell pornography?

As an aside, in many cases, porn served by websites isn't meant to be bought. It is effectively advertising.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by AlecSchueler »

GoofballJones wrote: post #533
bumby wrote: post #362

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They might if sugar was able to be consumed for free with virtually unlimited access. I'm not sure it's a very good analogy.

It is free. It LITERALLY is in unlimited access. It's in everything you eat...unless you live in a cave and only eat squirrels and rabbits. Especially in the US where High Fructose Corn Syrup is in nearly every product that's consumed. Pornography is no where near as dangerous as the obesity epidemic in the United States, which costs the citizens and corporations billions and billions of dollars a year on healthcare…

We can tackle multiple issues at once. My country taxes sugar already.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by Brendinooo »

sophacles wrote: post #577
Brendinooo wrote: post #531

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It will harm a kid, and asking a website to figure out how to verify an age is far less burdensome than taking PB&Js out of kid lunches.

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“Sky wizard” is a bright red flag for a bad-faith argument, so I’m not going to do a bunch of research for you. Search around for voices of people who have struggled with porn addiction. If you think it’s a purely religious thing, you’re mistaken.

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Post by monetus »

George83728 wrote: post #586
scarface74 wrote: post #503

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Yes and forcing people to show ID has really stopped underaged drinking and making drugs illegal have stopped people from smoking weed.

Laws against murder haven't stopped murder, so I guess those laws are useless. Gun control laws? Japan's ex-PM got blown away by a wacko with a homemade shotgun, so I guess gun control laws just don't work. Nevermind the rate of gun violence in Japan.. it's all or nothing.

This doesn't directly add to or take from your point, because obviously laws have a purpose -

that assassin was motivated by an extreme religious affiliation to the lawmakers. There is irony here.

Re: PornHub blocks users in Utah, cites state’s age verification law

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Post by laserlight »

AlecSchueler wrote: post #592
laserlight wrote: post #561

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> In a world where sexual assault is so common I think we need to seriously reconsider what we're consuming and what we're normalising by calling this stuff harmless. There's evidence that porn reduces the rate of sexual assaults [0]. [0] Evidence Mounts: More Porn, Less Sexual Assault. https://www.psychologytoday.com/intl/blog/all-about-sex/2016...

Your article claims that rape levels have deceased with the expansion of internet pornography but that's statistically untrue, as they've almost doubled: https://www.statista.com/statistics/191137/reported-forcible...

Yeah, just like how US spending on science, space, and tech increased suicides by hanging, strangulation, and suffocation [0]. The article I cited talks about natural experiments, which examine what happens before and after porn was legalized.

[0] Spurious Correlations. https://www.tylervigen.com/spurious-correlations

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